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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It is absolutely wild how this conversation is, so far, exclusively about income and wealth--and not at all about [b]educational attainment, reputation or life experience [/b](all of which historically have been considered parts of defining class). [/quote]

Because the bolded is meaningless and entirely subjective. Class in the modern world is strictly driven by income and assets, not where you went to college or who your great-great-grandfather was. You're trapped in thinking there is a class hierarchy as of old, with the aristocracy at top, the merchants next, the peasants at the bottom. That class hierarchy was legally ordained and each class had specific rights and power. We don't operate like that any more.

We do have socio-economic cultural groups with their own tastes and preferences but no one group has more or less power or legally enshrined rights over others. Being a graduate of Harvard doesn't confer special status, the vast majority couldn't care less. But a self made owner of a plumbing supply business who made millions garners more respect than a typical Harvard graduate who's the fifth generation to have gone to Harvard and lives anonymously in a boring Bethesda colonial.

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There is absolutely a cultural and educational aspect to it. [/quote]

In your mind. And you'd be deluding yourself too. As the PP did with her sneer at MAGA. JD Vance is a Yale law graduate, married to a highly accomplished woman, and is extremely MAGA. And the southern university campuses are packed with young white MAGA fully kitted out in preppy RLP and Sid Mashburn and boat shoes and Nantucket reds and coming from families with nice backgrounds and attainment and what you have it.

What I suspect is trying to be justified is being income limited but having "fine manners" and thinking you're somehow socially superior to people in more expensive houses and flashier lifestyles. My response to such beliefs is to get over it. No one is weeping for you.

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