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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have noticed that the preprofessional students are much more “into it” than back in my day. It is more cutthroat. Premed courses often have students sabotaging their classmates to help the curve. Happened in my DDs organic chemistry class.[/quote]

This is seriously doubtful. 
I have two premeds at different ivy/T10 and no actual sabotage occurs there or any other place they have premed friends. Cheating has happened a lot at UVA recently but that is due to not having in person tests! Cheating in person on a real-time test is rare and easy to catch, and none of those students will make it to MD. Those who make it do not have to resort to cheating.

My spouse went to hopkins premed in the 90s and I went to an ivy and none then either(though the curves were harsher--median B-/C+ not B+ like nowadays). How would a kid "sabotage" another kid? Mine have long and short answer exam questions that are graded with various forms of partial credit, they are hand-written tests that take place in person. The tests are slightly easier if one chooses to go to recitation/office hours but that is true of most classes and was true 30 years ago. Showing up and doing the maximum helps your grade. Reviewing in groups is helpful for some students, others get overwhelmed and prefer to study alone. Refusing to share notes with someone who has not attended class is not sabotage. Refusing to be in a study group that does not work for someone is not sabotage. There is no way to "sabotage" anyone else in orgo with these types of midterm/exams and grading structure of all the schools I know [/quote]

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