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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm not being snarky, please re-read my post.  To some, this particular issue actually is black and white.  It is a moral absolute.  That is my entire point.  There are scores of political issues that do not lend itself to black and white, many shades of gray or nuanced positions are more appropriate.

The point of my post was not to re-hash the very worn out pro-life, pro-choice discussion.  My point was to point out that calling people immature because you disagree with them is pretty stupid.

Your opening sentence about "black and white views not being hallmarks...", if you read Augstine, Aquinas, Aristotle and more than a few other giants of philosophy, you will see that being deeply thoughtful and having some views that are absolute, are not at all inconsistent. That was my point.  [/quote]

Again, tell us about a world in which abortion is illegal. I say "illegal" rather than "doesn't exist," because there is no such world in which abortion doesn't exist. There is increased infanticide, there is more preventable death of women. Abortion will always be.[/quote]

You are discussing abortion legality.  I'm discussing abortion morality.  "Abortion will always be"...yeah I get that.  So will greed, rape, vanity, theft, gluttony, murder, etc.  I understand the world is not Utopian.  Do we agree in a Utopian world there are zero abortions?

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And your and every other anti choicer's nattering about morality never gets politically active, does it? If I get pregnant with a baby with only a brain stem, I think abortion is far more moral than condemning my child to a life of ten minutes, ten days, a month (yes, there was one such Virginia kid who lived a few years; that is not the norm), myself, my husband and other children to go through an entire pregnancy waiting to watch our child/sibling die, and everyone else for having to pay for it. To "choose life" as it's so simplistically put in that instance, and so many others, is immoral to me. Moreover, when my biological family is complete, my husband and I look forward to adopting two or three child aged siblings from foster care. That, to me, is moral.

My questions about an imaginary world without abortion are relevant. See the recent Irish case. Your silence speaks for you.[/quote]

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