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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What about the 70% that have been driven away? Why should the Church only be for RWNJ? No business can survive by ignoring 70% of its customers. What about the majority that those short-sighted, selfish bigots also known as JPII and Benedict ignored?

FYI The far right is putting such a stranglehold on the Church IT WILL NOT SURVIVE IT. So much money is being wasted on christo-nationalist nonsense and siphoned away on real needs of the Church - leaking roofs, broken boilers, etc. The far right is starving money from Church infrastructure. Once the far right is done weaponizing the Church, there will be nothing left. But who am I to say?...I only worked for the Church and know of what I speak.[/quote]

IMHO, the “70%” are not coming back. Vatican II was an explicit effort to retain the 70% and it did not work and it alienated a lot of lower case “O” orthodox families in the process. My personal theory is that the Catholic Church cannot “out progressive” the secular culture so any effort to do so is doomed to failure.   JPII was an extremely good (but flawed) Pope who through force of will renewed the Church  (and the seminaries, particularly) from its post-Vatican II problems.

The PF pontificate, which is more closely aligned with the VII project saw a retreat in vocations beyond the prevailing trends of his elevation to the papal office. That must be taken seriously.

I simply don’t agree that far right projects are siphoning away money from parish needs. That is not how parish finances work in most dioceses.

Whether you like it or not, it is the conservative bloc of the church that tries to live out some version of Catholic holiness and in particular that produces Catholic families.  It comes at the expense of other important projects, but what is a church with empty pews?[/quote]

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