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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous](and don't understand why my Republican bretheren don't fight for this) - the government shouldn't get in my religious or personal business - my religious marriage should be completely separate from any legal benefits I get from the government.  To get those I - and [b]everyone - should have to get a civil union.[/b]  [/quote]

No, because centuries and centuries of one semantic convention should not have to be changed. Man/woman = marriage. Gay = civil union. All legal rights equal. Semantically different. When "separate but equal" came about, no one entertained the possibility that gays would/could ever be married so that's a moot point.  [/quote]

Semantics is about the worst possible reason for denying someone their civil liberties.

The alternative is a separate, but equal status under the law, ie civil union.  We tried that in many states, and it failed.  Why?  No civil union law gave equivalent rights to marriage.   And that's why states with civil unions also pursued marriage laws later.

On top of that, the conservatives who oppose gay marriage will not lift a finger to make civil unions more robust under the law.  So clearly they are not even for separate but equal.  They are for "unequal".  So screw them for paying lip service to civil unions.  They caused the battle to move to marriage.

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