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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The actual research (not anecdata) shows that it's ok for reading, slightly worse for listening, and pretty useless for actual speaking. OP - have you actually had a conversation with anyone? I'd be surprised if you could actually navigate a real conversation. Sure, you can easily say "I want five apples" and things like that, but most conversations don't consist of that.

It's better than nothing, but it tricks people into thinking they know a lot more than they do, due to the passive nature of the exercises, odds of actually needing to say one of the sentences they drill into you, and the positive feedback and encouragement you get from Duo. [/quote]

Yes, I’ve had conversations. If your understanding is that it drills canned conversation lines into your heard you’re clearly not familiar.

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Actually I am very familiar, I did consulting for Duolingo. I'm sure your conversation partners were very patient and forgiving and the conversations lasted fewer than 5 minutes. [/quote]

Not sure where you’re going with this - I’m a beginner, so, yes, they were short conversations and my partners were probably very patient. Okay? And…?[/quote]
I'm a beginner as well. PPP, what do you recommend for learning if not duolingo? [/quote]

DCUM will always suggest immersion. Just drop everything and go to another country for a few months.[/quote]

I mean, yes, I'd love to do that. But my stupid family and stupid boss won't let me. I'd also love to take some serious language learning classes, but while slightly more possible, still logistically is difficult. Duolingo is fun, and whether or know it's the ideal way to develop my conversational skills, I have learned a ton...

I would also point out on the conversational level—understanding is a HUGE thing. If I can understand what THEY are talking about, I can pick and choose my words and respond... and any conversation in another language is more of a conversation than I had before![/quote]

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