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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When america is turned into a bankrupt european non capitalist country I will be personally feel I did my best to vote against it. it's too late , the population dependent on the government exceeds those that are dependent on themselves. When I say population I am including [b]government jobs [/b], contractors , and those on social government services. The only way is to tax the successful people until everyone has equal social statuses. Eventually there is no spark or reward for innovation and we turn into a society satisfied with meaningless jobs that don't create anything that can be sold to generate revenue and taxes. We are screwed because people don't have the foresight to see this and only care about the short term. We will be greece.[/quote]

I don't understand what you're saying here -- are you saying the only respectable way to earn a living is to be self employed? Goverment workers aren't dependent on themselves?  Employees in the private sector are dependent on their employers, just like public sector employees.  You have a problem with cops?  Teachers?  Firemen?[/quote]

The goal of the private sector is to create profits which builds wealth, the government ones are expenses.[/quote]

So?  Some expenses are necessary to create growth (even if you agree, which I don't, that wealth creation should be the be-all, end-all of a nation).  If you don't have cops, then insecurity will drive down profits.  If you don't have people managing the ports, you can't take advantage of international trade.  If you don't have teachers, you won't have an educated workforce.  And when people are employed, by the private or public sector, they become consumers, which again leads to profits.[/quote]

I do think wealth creation should be the primary goal of a nation.  Wealth leads to better health.  Wealth leads to more freedoms.  Wealth leads to better education.  In almost every possible metric the more wealth you have the better off you are.  Other goals can be laudible..lets say better health...if the metric is to improve health thats fabulous, but if you improve wealth you improve health and you also improve the freedom that people have to decide what goals are important to them...for many it might be health...but to others it might include activities that have health risks but increase their enjoyment of life.

I don't think the original pp is saying that there should be no government jobs, but rather that those dependent on the government should not be the majority of the citizens. [/quote]

Wealth leads to freedom and better health for whom?  For all citizens, or for those who possess the wealth?  Because in a capitalistic structure, you're not exactly trying to spread the wealth around.[/quote]

Wealthier countries have longer life expectancy.  Wealthier countries have more economic freedoms.  Wealthier countries have largely been the ones that develop health improvements that are then used throughout the world..the wealth creation that led to those improvements helped everyone rich and poor.  How many health treatments have you had that were created from non-profits vs how many were created by companies trying to make money.

If your goal is wealth creation, then you want as many citizens as possible working towards that goal...so you aren't working towards keeping the poor down, but working towards all citizens creating wealth.

I read something one time that there have been studies that companies that are discriminatory have lower profits.  There are lots and lots and lots of social goods that come from the goal of wealth creation. [/quote]

Again, who exactly in these wealthy countries are reaping the benefits?  But this is all beside the point, frankly -- I said that wealth creation should not be the be-all, end-all of a notion's goals.  Our choices are not (1) wealth creation or (2) welfare state.  There's a balance that we can strive for.  [/quote]

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