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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have been a GS-15 manager for almost 10 years, since age 35. You could not pay me to take an SES job and in fact I have turned down several (non-career) that were offered, and declined to apply to the career SES spots to open up. I have seen the position descriptions and performance appraisals and they are a ton of bs leadership wordspeak on top of actual job duties. “Leading change” my arse. I am very happy as a first line supervisor and subject matter expert. I also like to fly a little under the radar. The SES pay is more but I am making plenty as it is. I don’t need more money, I need more time to spend with my kids - and SES is the last place I’d look for that. [/quote] I understand this perspective. But I also think it’s all about mindset. The people you see in these SES roles don’t really have an executive mindset. Many SES don’t know how to be real leaders and down in the weeds where they don’t belong. Also, I’m quite sure some of the people below you (GS13 and 14) say the same thing about your job as a 15. There have been threads here complaining about all the work and supervisor woes of a 15. These positions aren’t cut out for everyone. And that’s perfectly fine. [/quote]
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