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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Someone in another thread defined socialism as [quote]the collective ownership and management of the goods and services and the means of producing them. The services and goods are produced directly for use, not for profit. [/quote] As a way to say US (and Obama) were nowhere near that. [b] [b]But the connection to Obama is that when the government starts to take away the citizens' profits - basically determining what's a fair amount of earnings each individual can earn [/b]- and taking everything above and beyond that and giving it to the lower-earning citizens to essentially "even out" everyone's income, it's moving toward socialism.  It's de-incentivising people from striving to do better, earn more, and get ahead. [/b]

In other words, [b]if you know that anything you make over $250,000 (for example) [/b]will be turned over to the government, there is no incentive for you to strive to earn more than $250,000.  The government, through its tax policy and government hand-outs, create a system where there is a certain "collective ownership" and goods start to be created for use - not profit - because your profit (over a certain amount) gets relinquished to the collective good.

Hope that helps you understand some people's positions. [/quote]

When has Obama done this? When did Obama raise your taxes?  You don't really understand marginal tax rates at all do you? The marginal tax rate for those earning over 400,000 was 92% under Eisenhower. Under Nixon, the rate over for earnings over 200,000 was 77%. Under Reagan ( god of the conservatives) the marginal rate was 69.125 % for earners over $ 215,400. Under Clinton, it was 39.6 % for earners over $250,000. Under Obama, it is the same as Bush; 35 % for earners over $388,000 since he renewed the Bush tax cuts. So by your definition, which presidents were socialists?

Hope that helps you understand some simple [b]facts[/b].[/quote]

I don't think they are concerned about FACTS.  It's not enough to just say that the Romney-Ryan and their ilk are telling lies.  They're telling pure fiction.  What is alarming is that there are people who seem to believe it for truth.  It makes me think of the quick rise of Hitler and his Nazi party.  [/quote]

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