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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also randomly telling people they were a different gender, sexuality and person. Wtf.

[b]IVF for Grace to be born in the right body? Did Shaleia really have ectopic and he just like told her it was only suspected because the embryo was too small to be detected? [/b]Jeff is such an effing tool. Shaleia being told she was not what he expected because she is fat. Just horrible, horrible people

Going to jail for stalking. The poor mom trying to stay in contact with her child via text. Very, very disturbing.[/quote]

Yeah, this was very bizarre. Can you tell if an embryo is male or female before implantation? Were they trying to genetically engineer sex? Is that why the IVF? I actually wonder if there wasn't any IVF -- they were just using the idea of the expense of IVF to raise (extract!) more money from their followers? Ectopic pregnancies are horrible, life threatening emergencies, so the way that Shaleia and Jeff mentioned it, like it was nothing, seemed weird to me -- I guess I don't buy it that she had an ectopic pregnancy. Which means I think she probably wasn't pregnant at all. Who knows? It's all so bizarre.

But the stuff about "baby Grace" being their third flame, and how she wouldn't need sex because she could satisfy her self terrified me because what the hell happens if they actually do have a child? I see abuse waiting to happen. [/quote]

Oh Lord - had not even thought about that angle - Hope CPS monitors any children’s welfare …  [/quote]

Their reasoning to do IVF for gender can be done and as screwed up as that is, especially when they are convincing people they are the "wrong" gender could be true. Also, bizarrely there are higher incidents of ectopic via IVF vs natural if woman has never had ectopic, so just questioning the way they said it if he totally dismissed her and was trying to act like the termination wasn't necessary, or yeah was any of it real????

The creepy sex stuff with Grace is terrifying. If they try naturally and carry a son God help him because he will be transitioning asap. These people are really, really creepy.[/quote]

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