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Yes, and I read the actual study.  I'm not attributing it to race alone.  Religion is a given.  And obviously skin color does not medically predispose someone to a particular belief, so there is always a mediating variable between race and political ideology.  But the issue is that AA are more religious, and so when Obama runs he is going to bring a heavy AA turnout.  The AA community has to be accountable for its beliefs like any other group.  And 58% against is bad.  It is not excusable because Latinos edged them out by a point (although I really am not persuaded by the regression analysis in that study).  It stands on its own.[/quote]

Okay, if you're not persuaded by the statistics, until you can post credible information that you do believe, there's really not a point in me discussing this further with you, is there?

Also, focusing on holding people "accountable" instead of trying to address the root causes and work to change them is the entire problem. [/quote]

1.  Anger is no substitute for thought.  You are getting angry and because of that I think you are not hearing what I have to say.  I am not Bill O'Reilly.  My words stand for themselves.

2.  I think the exit poll data is more credible, and if I thought you understood regression analysis we could talk more on why.  But it doesn't matter because even if we accept the 58% number, it's a bad number.  And I don't care whether hispanics edged them out or not, and I don't think being substantially better than 7th Day Adventists is an excuse.  I don't hold any sway over those groups, but if you posted on Hispanics I would be unhappy with them, too.

3.  Yes, we need to hold people accountable for their decisions.  Would you not hold whites accountable for discrimination against black people?  Would you only look at the root causes, say white poverty or their churches?  No.  You and history hold white people accountable for racism.

4.  The fact is that religion and AA are intertwined.  Black civil rights leaders are for the most part black ministers.  You know it, I know it.  The hearts and minds of the black community will be changed when those ministers see things a different way.  And to address it we are going to have to persuade the same ministers, whatever diagnosis we put on it.

5.  Lastly, and I can't say this enough, I don't care whether the AA vote ranks 1st 3rd or 10th in the damage it did on prop 8.  Homophobia in the black community needs to be addressed.  It is an issue.  If you are black, you know what I mean.[/quote]

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