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I think you're exaggerating the turnover at Paramount. Their top players do not leave, and if they had as much turnover as you are implying and are as over the top as you are implying, how do their teams have so much success? My DD has attended clinics there but we know she'd probably never make their team. While there have certainly been girls at Paramount who have quit over the years,[b] I'd say the vast majority of the turnover is new talent replacing the bottom half of talent on the teams from the previous season[/b]. If Paramount's top talent was hemorrhaging every season, how could they possibly be at the point where all their teams earned bids to USAV Nationals the past two seasons (Metro is the only other club to do this)? How is Paramount the only club in the region besides Metro actually competing and winning at the open level? [/quote]

Bolded the important point -- the reason they stay competitive is because they are constantly recruiting from other clubs to pull talent to them.  They don't have development teams, so they rely on other clubs to do it. If you see club volleyball as a tiered set of stepping stones from the bottom (developmental) to the top (recruiting and bids), then this is fine.  But as mentioned earlier in this thread -- that doesn't apply to most of the club players in the area.

[quote=Anonymous]
The players who quit Paramount/Metro/Jrs are usually the players who are not getting the playing time they want (for example, Jrs 17s team two years ago had 6 girls quit before Nationals, not because of intense coaching but because of the games the coach played and the empty promises left on the table). Metro will stick 15 players on all their travel teams, and there are always 4-5 players who never see the court (Metro 16s coach is the most maniacal coach in the entire region, imo). And yet, those girls scratch and claw to get on and stay on all those club's teams. [/quote]

+1 regarding playing time, and it reinforces your earlier comment.  But there are also players that have left those programs for coaching "misalignment", and a lot of others that don't consider them because of the same issues.

[quote=Anonymous]
But as PP said, the great thing about our region is there are options for everybody; if you don't like the intense style, there are plenty of quality options besides Metro and Paramount. If you want to play D1 AND win, though, Metro and Paramount are separating themselves from the rest at this point in time (Metro obviously the cream of the crop as of now). You can get one without the other at some of the other clubs in our area (e.g., the recruiting without the winning, like at VAE), but imo Metro and Paramount are the only two where you can get the winning and the recruiting at this moment in time.[/quote]

It depends on the team at the particular club, there are teams that are highly competitive at certain clubs -- playing open level, making it to upper brackets in multi-days, etc, but not winning the entire tournament.  If a team is competing in open level at big tournaments and winning more than they are losing, its likely that team is pretty good.  Its also likely that there is a good mix of talent and coaching, because those clubs can't rely on recruiting players to build their teams -- they have to develop them.

Most parents underestimate how much effort goes into developing great volleyball players.  One of the questions we asked when searching for clubs was "When players leave your club (or consider leaving), where are they going?".  If they say Metro/Paramount/VA Elite, then you've probably found a club that is really good at developing top talent.

We also asked was "How many of your top team players have been with you for 3+ years? How many played on a development team for your club?".  This is often the most important question, development + player loyalty usually indicates the club is doing something right.[/quote]

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