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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s crazy how people jump on the bandwagon for these, obviously less effective criminal justice laws, and then are shocked when their political party loses power as crime rises. Like shocked pikachu face how did I not know that ending policing in a violent neighborhood would result in a 30% murder increase? Or who knew taking shoplifting less than $1000 would only result in a misdemeanor would somehow spur a shoplifting crimewave?

This has me concerned because I am liberal. Not a progressive a moderate liberal.

What happens when republicans win and the pendulum swings the other way and there is a massive crack down on crime that disproportionately hits people…basically it’s hard to find a good policing middle ground, but this lax crap needs to stop.[/quote]

Honest question though. Why is it considered a massive Republican crackdown when it is literally enforcing the law and protecting property rights? This is an opportunity to stop playing partisan games and identify bad policy and do something about it.[/quote]

[b]It’s disgusting that caring about our laws and not wanting a business robbed or looted or people to be assaulted is apparently a “republican” idea now.[/b]

You might not like “stop and frisk”, and I think there’s a valid discussion to be had about that. But we’d better start cracking down hard on criminals or next year there’s gonna be a red wave like we’ve never seen before.[/quote]

YUP - it's embarrassing how the liberal elite in the political class let the talking points of law and order get away from them.[/quote]

It's embarrassing how the right wing elite comes down on authoritarian of "THE 👏 POLICE 👏 ARE 👏 NOT 👏 TO 👏 BE 👏 QUESTIONED" which stops needed reform and turns into sabotage.

Yes, there is a vocal minority on the left that says a lot of miguided things like "defund the police" which the right then weaponizes in completely un-nuanced ways, suggesting the left does not want any police.  That is false.  Most on the left still want police protection.  However, we think police need to be retrained for de-escalation rather than stupidity like putting your knee on the neck of a non-violent suspect or violently wrestling frail elderly grandmas with dementia to the ground.  We think the police need a LOT more oversight and accountability.  We think dealing with the mentally ill should be done by others with expertise.  We think there cannot be any lying about body cameras "malfunctioning" or police threatening and intimidating bystanders who film their abuses.   But the right says THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE POLICE AND THEY ARE NOT TO BE QUESTIONED and the police dishonestly say "well we can't do our jobs at all if we aren't allowed to do what we 'need' to do (break senile harmless grandma's shoulder throwing her to the ground)" and then use that to ease up on policing causing crime spikes.

There is so much g-d dishonesty on all sides.  Why can't we just fix the damn problem?[/quote]

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