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[quote=TheManWithAUsername][quote=Anonymous]TheManWithAUsername are you really equating Catholic Hospitals, who treat all regardless of means to pay, with 'polluting factories' and 'hotels that discriminate against blacks'? Perhaps you are using argumentum ad populum? Social justice is a central tenant of Catholicism, and treating the poor, feeding the poor, teaching the youth, etc. are all 'collateral activities' that the Catholic Church engages in and financially supports - and you equate that with racism and pollution? Seriously?[/quote]
OK...so you seriously thought that I was equating feeding the poor with polluting? How about you cut the BS and engage in a real exchange, if you're going to start one?

I'm equating running a hospital with running a hotel or a factory, I'm equating laws against some kinds of racism and against polluting with laws regulating insurance plans, and I'm equating the violation of those various laws across these contexts. If it makes it simpler for you: Do you think the Church should be immune from employment discrimination laws and environmental regulations as applied to its hospitals?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=TheManWithAUsername]If the majority doesn't like this aspect of the health care law, then I guess it will be amended.* Until then, it stands as the expression of the society's values.[/quote]
So, when a majority stood for Jim Crow that was just fine, just wait until society's values changed? So slavery was fine too until society changed its mind?[/quote]
I was responding to your claim that "The overwhelming majority of America does not believe that providing artificial contraception is a mandate, independent of their own beliefs."

[quote=Anonymous]Personally I believe that it will be a sad day indeed when government intervention causes Catholic Hospitals to close rather than violate their core principles, Catholic schools to close rather than provide instruction that violates their core principles, and Catholic Charities to close because government mandates that they must violate their core principles.[/quote]
Lots of days would be sad, but none of the ones you listed appears near, and the latter two are nothing but red herrings. And opposition to birth control is a "core principle?" How many core principles are there? I would hope that we could list about 50 principles more important to Catholicism than that. It certainly isn't followed like a core principle.

[quote=TheManWithAUsername]A previous poster - not The Man - indicated that employees were too stupid to know they were applying for work with and working for a Catholic institution. Because the employees were too stupid, we need the government to mandate to the Catholic institutions how they need to behave, to protect the poor stupid workers. Really? If our schools are turning out graduates that stupid, perhaps we need to focus on education, and not the reproductive and family planning benefits the Catholic Church will offer to its employees?[/quote]
I didn't read that post, if it exists, but in general the argument in favor of workplace regulation and against the laissez-faire approach is that employees only have a limited number of possible employers. E.g., if you're a nurse in a relatively small town, it may be the Catholic hospital or nothing.[/quote]

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