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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree that State Cup is not what it used to be. The B teams at ECNL/DA clubs will enter the State Cup. Also, let's be clear, the winner of the State Cup could beat all but the top ECNL teams in the state and might even beat them. [/quote]

No, no they could not. Maybe occasionally on the boys side, at some ages the State Cup champ could beat the bottom dweller ECNL team. Sure.[/quote]

Huh?

So far this year (20-21) the Boys' State cup winners are as follows:

2006 Arlington (currently 2nd in ECNL, but top of all the VA teams).  This team is ranked #13 nationally.
2005 Arlington (currently 2nd in ECNL league marginally behind Richmond, where the two matches between Arlington and Richmond were draws).  This team is ranked #3 nationally.
2004 Skyline (beat Arlington ECNL in the final, Arlington previously knocked out McLean who are 2nd in ECNL, and the top ranked VA team).  This team is ranked #45 nationally. 
2002/3 Arlington (currently 7th in ECNL and 3rd amongst VA teams).  The tournament also featured Herndon (ranked #14 nationally) and Richmond Magic (#16 nationally).

If you don't know what you are talking about, it is best not to talk.[/quote]

Ok, so boys are much different than girls, but three of the four teams you cited are in ECNL. So how does that support the first poster’s argument?[/quote]

It doesn't.  My point is merely that - on the boys side at least - state cup is a prestigious competition and means quite bit.  If you win - you will indeed have faced strong teams - not just in the context of VA, but in many cases teams that are amongst the best in the nation.[/quote]

Actually I take that back - it does support the first poster's statement that "the winner of the State Cup could beat all but the top ECNL teams in the state and might even beat them".  Because it turns out that the winner of the state cup, in most cases either is the top ECNL team in the state, or beat that team (or a team that had beaten that team) in the process of winning the state cup.[/quote]

The other teams in later rounds would wallop most of the ecnl non participants like they owed them money. Yeah, Arlington, the club that has been an encl member for less than a year and recruited their rosters this year based on having the DA in the past. ECNL has nothing to do with this. Dream on. [/quote]

Huh?  I think I am largely agreeing with you aren't I?  My view is that the state cup is a good competition with most of the state's best teams in it.  The only club that doesn't enter that would likely contend at multiple age groups is Richmond.

I don't agree that the other teams in later rounds would wallop most of the ecnl non participants though.  Richmond would likely beat almost all the entrants fairly easily - as the Arlington teams did.  VDA and Loudoun are strong in some age groups and would be contending to win, less so in others - but I do not think they would get walloped by many teams.  Yes - BRYC would likely get walloped by several teams - but that's only one ECNL club - not most of them.[/quote]

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