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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So -  the use of masks and distancing - as is being in done in controlled classroom settings, should greatly lessen the spread.

Anti- school folks keep posting these threads about kids as potential vectors.  Okay.   The next step should have been (months ago) to ensure controlled classroom settings to get kids back inside the classroom.

We are all going to get Covid at some point (if we have not already).   Let's talk about ways to protect the most vulnerable and live with it.[/quote]
No, this information means that we should avoid indoor congregate settings that accelerate the pandemic and put further strain on the healthcare system. Not that we should push to open schools at the height of the pandemic where 3,000 people are dying a day and we have 200,000+ new infections every day. [/quote]

Almost no one is proposing reopening schools tomorrow. Start with some special p education programs in January, and start bringing back elementary students for the 2nd semester. Keep bars/restaurants closed, keep restrictions on gathering sizes, and continue efforts expand hospital surge capacity. Places like Maryland are in pretty good shape to do this. Our case counts are lower than other parts of the country and our hospitals still have headroom on capacity (without, I might add, even cancelling all elective procedures as was done earlier this year).

Maryland could absolutely reopen schools safely. Just a couple of the big counties don't want to due their leaders' ties to the teacher unions.[/quote]
NYC has less than 20% of ICU beds available and the infection rate has gone from less than 1% to 6.26% since schools have opened. There have been 4,791 COVID cases and they are still open. 100s of cases this week alone as community spread increases, and only special ed and elementary students are back. Why would we open schools (even for special ed and elementary) only to have to shutter them one by one as people get sick and the virus spreads? People who want to open schools seem to ignore that schools are closed because of the pandemic, which is still spiraling out of control. The CDC estimates that for the next 60 days there will still be 3,000+ deaths, but you think opening in a couple weeks is a reasonable, safe plan? This is what happens when you start with the conclusion ("schools should be open") and try to work backward, instead of accepting that we need to get control of the virus first.[/quote]

You clearly don't know what typical ICU utilization rates are. They're not that much higher than usual for this time of year.  Which is pretty amazing given that they haven't had much in the way of restrictions except for closing middle/high schools. Indoor dining isn't closing until Monday, giving everyone the weekend to get some more meals in.

I don't think you realize how much of society of is operating right now. Elementary schools would be in the weeds.  European countries managed to keep schools open at similar levels of spread.  France actually kept them open at far higher levels. As log as you keep students in cohorts, you don't need to close entire schools for cases- just classrooms.[/quote]

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