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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingSoccerDad][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would say that SYC turned it around for sure.  They took the best coaches from LMVSC and the players followed.  They upped their Social Media game which helps for player recruitment.  They got themselves back into CCL and now have teams in MLS Next.  It was a complete 180.  I wish we had left LMVSC to follow their progression but we decided to stick out another year and now left this past season due to LMVSC poor academy implementation.  Regardless of performance per team I think they have a solid approach and training program. [/quote]

Even if they dominate recruiting in lmvsc’s area, they have to compete with Bryc in the same area and are bordered by Arlington, McLean, st James, without anything that really sets them apart [/quote]

1. They already have dominated LMVSC’s area
2. People are leaving BRYC; their pipeline of players is never used and they’re not competing well in ECNL
3. Is TSJ open yet?[/quote]

1. They dominate because coaches left with teams, whether or not that translates in to getting them as ulittles after Rex (no one is driving it Springfield form rose hill for Rec) is yet to be seen. It’s more likely Alexandria feasts in the corpse of lmvsc since its fields are largely an easier drive for practice and home games

2. Maybe, but it’s still another club in the same geographic footprint that fields high level teams (and that has more recent relevance than SYC)

3. Yes[/quote]

Correction: players followed their coaches.

I guess the academy system isn’t producing European-level talent?[/quote]

I saw a couple of state cup games (2005 and 2006) against Arlington - and the SYC teams appeared to me (and admittedly I am far from an expert) to be outplayed and outcoached.  The OP asked for a comparison to the top clubs in the area.  Based on those games - right now I would say that they are not on the same level.[/quote]

What was the score at halftime of the 2006B game?  What time did the first goal get scored in the 2005B State Cup game.  C’mon LC, TD at LMVSC.  Don’t be shy now.[/quote]

We're talking about the 2005 game that was 4-0 for Arlington and the 2006 game that was 6-1?

On one hand, I get it -- I'd take it as a moral victory if Duke's football team was only down 14-7 to Clemson at halftime. But seriously? You're going to try to use the fact that it took more than a few minutes for Arlington to demonstrate its superiority as reason to taunt someone, and you really think it's LMVSC's TD? [/quote]

Different poster here but I heard it was arlington's DA/ECNL team and not their red/ccl team.  In prior years the DA teams didn't enter state cup but now that ECNL they entered.  Not apples to apples.  Now if it was arlington 07 da/ecnl vs syc mls then it would be a fair comparison of results.[/quote]

I think the reason for the comparison is the OP's question as to whether SYC is comparable with top area clubs.  The games would appear to me to indicate - despite disagreement from a few people who seem to think these particular games shouldn't count for some reason - that SYC is not, at least yet, comparable with the top clubs.  I don't think it means SYC sucks, or their coaches or their players.  It just means that, unlike Arlington, they don't draw top talent from the entire DMV area.[/quote]

No, but based on recent events, I'd buy SYC as a growth stock and sell Arlington as an asset with more than likely future profits already priced in.[/quote]

Which events are you referring to?[/quote]

DA replaced by MLS Next, and Arlington moving to ECNL, which is a little better than CCL at this juncture and involves a number of the same teams that Arlington played in the past (before BRYC and MYS left).  I think Arlington will remain one of the top clubs in the area, especially at older ages.  If you like McLean today, you'll love Arlington tomorrow.  Coaches are great.  It's just overpriced and I am not sure it has not peaked out.  That's all.  MLS Next is totally unproven.  Who knows what will happen.  But SYC is in a much better place than they were one year ago, and Arlington, perhaps not.  Doesn't mean SYC is better than Arlington at all. But it will close more of the gap.  [/quote]

Ah - see what you mean.    I think the next couple of years should be interesting in terms of ECNL vs MLS Next.  I think it's a real pity - for the kids - that DA dissolved.  Neither MLS Next, nor ECNL is as good as what existed up until March.

That said, my view is slightly different to yours:

1.  ECNL is quite a bit better than CCL at this point.  Even in Northern VA, the addition of Arlington, Richmond and VDA has strengthened ECNL considerably.  And in the Carolinas ECNL was stronger in any case and several ex DA clubs have joined down there as well.

2.  To date MLS Next has been a mess.  Few games have been played and there is a real mish-mash of age groups which has meant some age groups playing even fewer games.  For example - clubs playing DC United only get to play two games (U15 and U17) and have to try and find another club for the rest of their age groups to play.  And if SYC U14s play against BSC, what does BSC do for all the other age groups that weekend?

3.  If MLS Next manages to resolve its organizational issues and becomes clealy the better option, I suspect Arlington (and Richmond and VDA) would be welcomed with open arms should they decide to join.

4.  Should SYC take full advantage of its MLS next status it will indeed improve as a result.  But this is not automatic.  The DA was a huge positive for Arlington and Richmond United, and VDA did reasonably well out of it too.  Loudoun and McLean on the other hand fumbled their opportunity.  Which path SYC takes is yet to be seen.

The key for both clubs will come down to whether they can keep the good coaching staffs together and whether they treat their customers well.

Also - I wasn't aware that Arlington charged significantly more than any other clubs - it always seemed to me that most clubs charged about the same in the end once you added everything up.  [/quote]

Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all.  On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC.  Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next.  Probably not both but at least one of them.[/quote]

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