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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If you have anything that you thing is wasted if not shared with us, please do post here so
we all can benefit. There is tons of great ideas flying out there and if we catch them in one place
and can easily access, maybe his could make our lives easier and who knows, maybe even save a life or two.

I go first:

[b]HUMAN SHIELD AKA THE INVISIBLE MAN[/b]

aka.. walking trash bag aka make shift around the house your PPE  :lol:

Best news.. A buck a piece... random example of my invention.
the are big: 61"W x 68"H
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DLFK21G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Inspired by NYC nurses who were using trash bags for their PPE.
1. I found the largest imaginable trash bag on Amazon. Clear thin and not too expensive.
2. I use  it while decontaminating stuff as  needed, and groceries from the store.
3. It is  68" Hight so if  yo make a  head hole it will cover most of your body depending how tall you are
68" = 5' 8" so this is pretty good coverage! if  you ask me.  :lol: 
I am tempting to go dressed like this next grocery shopping but I am afraid I would have trouble to deal with post covid attention I would receive from my fashion oriented hood.  :lol:

CLEVER LITTLE HELPER TO MOVE YOUR GROCERIES WHEREVER YOU NEED THEM.
RADIO FLYER OR ANY WAGON IS YOUR FRIEND:

https://www.amazon.com/Radio-Flyer-Classic-Red-Wagon/dp/B00000IS6G/ref=sxin_0_osp1-b5cd2e94_cov?ascsubtag=amzn1.osa.b5cd2e94-d763-4973-98f6-4061649cd961.ATVPDKIKX0DER.en_US&creativeASIN=B00000IS6G&cv_ct_cx=radio+flyer&cv_ct_id=amzn1.osa.b5cd2e94-d763-4973-98f6-4061649cd961.ATVPDKIKX0DER.en_US&cv_ct_pg=search&cv_ct_wn=osp-search&dchild=1&keywords=radio+flyer&linkCode=oas&pd_rd_i=B00000IS6G&pd_rd_r=91eb3832-d541-45c8-a354-c35c48527eb1&pd_rd_w=4puBB&pd_rd_wg=v6Kth&pf_rd_p=b6bd5224-05d9-4fef-a730-ce19a634e012&pf_rd_r=CCZSHMPGXSR4FXMA4A9M&qid=1586739764&s=hpc&sr=1-1-32a32192-7547-4d9b-b4f8-fe31bfe05040&tag=popularscience_os-20
1. to save handling and touching the groceries 
2. eliminate one step in moving them
3. use one perfectly perfect small Radio Flyer kids wagon that you most likely already have
4. take things from your car one by one as you wipe and put it on the wagon, take it to the garage
where they can sit and decontaminate further or pull to any area for decontamination and take
it on the wheels wherever you need them be

It is helpful also if you have your groceries delivered in front, you can put a note and have them
placed it on the cart, and then you can just pull them wherever you want, be it back door, garage,
or elevator. Spray.. wait.. pull.. no touching needed.

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Here's a better tip:  You don't need to decontaminate your groceries.[/quote]

No, of course you don't. You only have do t his if you want to live. Yes, then you absolutely  should. [/quote] :roll:

Counterpoint: “ No, You Don't Need To Disinfect Your Groceries. But Here's How To Shop Safely”
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/12/832269202/no-you-dont-need-to-disinfect-your-groceries-but-here-s-to-shop-safely[/quote]

Oh God..  I, like most people here are done with listening to the experts who defy logic and reassure us that we don't need to do stuff that keeps us safe because they don't have the skin in the game.
We were told that the chance of the virus getting to the US is very low. By the experts.
We were told that it does not spread person to person. By the experts.
We were told that the virus does not hang in the air. By the experts
We were told that the virus does not live on the packages from Amazon. By the experts.
We were told that if the person is not displaying symptoms  they are not contagious. By the experts.
We were told that if you are no longer symptomatic you can not carry the virus. By the experts.
We were told that the masks don't work. By the experts

So please.. if you are telling me that we don't need to disinfect your groceries I will tell you, we probably do just because you are telling us  not to. :lol:

However if you want to talk science, lets' talk science. 
I can give  you the following:
The virus can loose it's power and break down with time and the right temperature on its own.
The virus can "die" faster if it is on the fabric or porous material then if it is on the metal or plastic.
The virus can be killed by the exposure to heat and humid.
The virus can be killed by the use of disinfecting medium if it will be exposed to it long enough.
The virus can be killed by certain environment like alkaline solutions because it does not like it.

Now you have to give me this:
If an apple or a cereal box or a meat package is sitting in the store where 1000 people paraded
and breath, wearing either make shift masks or scarfs that we were told do not work in the first place,
and the very breath carries the virus that subsequently hangs in the air and sits on all the products..

Pray tell where does it go and by what means? If you pack your groceries and bring it home what
happened. Poof, magic? It disappeared on it's own? If you handle the bags or packaging you can
very well get it from them. Can  you get it from fruits and veggies or their bags? Sure, why not?
Unless you either wait long enough for it to break down on its own or disinfect it.

If you wait, you need to wait quite a long time, because in the room temperature it dies faster,
but we both know that the cooler it is the longer the little sucker lives don't we?

So if you put your stuff in the fridge undisinfected, not only you are risking infection via that item
but also via anything it touches.

Is the freezer safe? No, just look into your own link that you posted as it says what we both know anyway:
[i]A word about frozen food
Some of you have asked if freezing food kills the virus. The answer is no. Refrigerating or freezing would actually help the virus survive longer — that's why research labs freeze virus samples to preserve them, as Graham notes. But if you're worried about handling a frozen dinner, just throw away the packaging and remember to wash your hands after you've removed the food, Rasmussen says.[/i]

So my dear PP, you do you. If you don't want to disinfect your goods then don't. However when you say
it is safe to just bring things and go on with the business then that is not right. You are not only spreading 
misinformation but also endanger people.

At least if you should include a caveat that the virus can potentially be on anything you bring from outside
and you need to give it quite long time for it to break down on it's own provided right condition and temperature
or else you should disinfect if you intend to consume things immediately or soon.

Next question.
[/quote]

Yeah, in all of that long ridiculous grandstanding, you forgot to mention the quote that said:

"There's just no evidence that these foods (fruits and vegetables) can transmit the virus or can cause COVID-19"

But please, continue to copy and paste the quotes that only feed your narrative of hysteria. 
[/quote]

Copy what and paste what? Unlike you I am capable of producing intelligent thought.

Yep, the good old "no evidence" yet come again..

Let me refresh: "no evidence" means nobody did any research so nobody knows, it does NOT mean that there is an evidence to support your claim either. There is just no evidence to disprove mine. 
If nobody never studied if monkeys can fly, it is true statement "there is no evidence that monkeys can fly"

Does it mean that they can't fly? Frankly who knows. Nobody studied it.

If I say there is no evidence that there is an elephant in  your house I am speaking the truth.
I don't have any such evidence. Did I studied it, Did I go to your house, NOPE and NOPE.
Yet with all honesty and swearing on a bible I can say: there is NO evidence that there is an elephant in  your house.
It also does not mean there is none. There might be one as well, simply we don't have any evidence at this point.

Now.. if they say.. "research proves that there are NO bacteria on apples after sitting in the store for a week
while Covid people sneeze on it, and I is safe for you to eat without washing" .. now you have something
to discuss with me.

Show me the research, show me the methods and all and I can come back to you.

For now  you have Zero grounds to claim that apples are safe without disinfection because frankly
you stated it yourself "there is no evidence" I am sorry.. that is a scientific euphemism for "I have nothing"
"I have zero data, I have zero back up" I Have NO idea.[/quote]

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