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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]C'mon. Genesis 19, 1-30. Send out your men so that we may "now" them??  Pretty clear cut since Lot offered his daughters and they mob weren't interested in them.[/quote]

1. That does not necessarily mean an orientation, just a preference of the moment.

2.  The most notable thing is that they were Lot's guests.  This may have been the motive for the preference. It's also possibly (probably) why its such a heinous act - a violation of middle eastern codes of hospitality.

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Right. And God decided to destroy the city for a violation of "hospitality"?

Ha ha.  We all know what they wanted.  They wanted to "know" them.  Now tell me that means something other than what it obviously means in the Bible.[/quote]

OP back.

The issue for Lot is that if Lot were to send out the guests, that would be a host betraying his guests.  That is the sin.  Even in Dante's Inferno, the third zone of the ninth circle of hell was reserved for hosts who betrayed their guests.  For the time period, this was a major sin, one of the greatest sins.  Betrayal has been one of the worst sins that one can commit even before Judas' betrayal of Jesus.

And the Sodomites were punished for trying to assault and rape Lot's guests.  It is the exploitive, assault and abusive nature of the act, that was being punished, not the interaction between same sex.  The point that the two authors were making is that prior to the 20th century, the interpretation of the word "arsenokoitai" was one of abusive and exploitive sex, rape or taking a person from a position of power or control over them.  Prior to the 19th century there was no concept of two individuals of the same sex in a mutual relationship of equal power or control, so the language did not include such a scenario.[/quote]

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