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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Totally okay to cut out one person, if everyone agrees. Nobody likes the kid OR the parent.  You don't owe loyalty.  Friendships change. [/quote]

This is nasty.  Mean girls become mean adults.[/quote]

The woman with the out of control child she refuses to discipline is the one being mean.  OP would not be mean to follow my advice. She'd just ... not be a pushover. [/quote]

Often the adult who stands up to the mean girl ends up on the outs.  I've seen it happen.[/quote]

I actually know of TWO separate situations where this happened. Seemed pretty cut and dry who the mean one was – tons of incredibly mean and hurtful things done and said including to people stuck in the middle, and situations involving kids that one would think unforgivable - And yet the one who was “not a pushover” as you describe it ended up worse off.[/quote]

This is so depressing - but I believe you.

The person who has no issue letting her kid physically hurt others is not going to magically develop a moral compass. I can see this type of person getting very nasty and defensive if someone calls out her parenting. [/quote]

This person will always, always have a gaslighting-type excuse for their behavior.  I too have seen the one who stood up to the bully get backlash (bully held her closest people VERY close and manipulated them consistently; others didn't want to deal with the nasty backlash for 'crossing' her so tried to stay neutral, etc).  Don't assume that because you're on the right side morally that it will shake out that way (unfortunately).

Watch for people who never apologize or take any sense of responsibility for their or their childrens' behavior.  Mean Mom here sounds like that type.

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