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[quote=Anonymous][quote=RantingSoccerDad][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NCLS and EDP will move underperforming teams to a more appropriate level of competition, although they don't always do things perfectly.  In CCL and VPL, the same teams will be used as punching bags year after year.  You also have to look at the reasons behind the NCSL or EDP statistics.  NCLS U16 division 1, for example, has two teams (Alexandria and ODFC) with big negative goal difference.   They will most likely be moved down next season.  ODFC was moved up to division 1 directly from division 3 in which they finished 2nd with plus 10 goal difference.  Alexandria finished 5th in division 2 the previous season with plus 2 goal difference so I am not sure why they were promoted.   I think these teams belong in division 2.   If NCSL stuck to the traditional pro/relegation model and promoted ODFC to division 2 rather than division 1 and kept Alexandria in division 2 until they finished in the top two places, then these two teams would have had a different experience in division 2.  The NCSL and EDP have not achieved perfection, but I suspect that Alexandria and ODFC U16 teams will have a more positive season next year.    [/quote]

The point is promotion/relegation does not in fact change the competitive balance. Every division at every age level has blowouts. The only thing that changes is who is getting blown out.

And the reason is simple, somebody has to be in last place, always.

Go through the U15 and above NCSL Fall standings and point to one last place team with more than 2 wins. Never mind I already did it.

NCSL B/G U15, U16, U17, U19

31 last place teams combined for a grand total of 14 wins. 18 teams went the season without a single win. One last place team achieved a 2 win season and that team was in the lowest division in their age group. Who is in last place doesn't matter because there will always be a last place. Supposedly sorting the teams based on their success or lack there of does not in fact improve competitive balance. The goals against ratios stay pretty much the same regardless of age or division.

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So based on the data, pro/rel does not solve inequity in talent.  Which actually makes a lot of sense, these aren't efficient markets, they are fairly static soccer teams over the course of a year at least.

What problem do we solve with pro/rel if blowouts aren't avoided.  Messaging egos?[/quote]

Had to respond here -- I feel like CCL and VPL are massaging egos. Especially for the technical staff, which can go spend all day watching the A teams and ignoring the rest of the club.[/quote]

Hahahaha.  Maybe!  But the problem is the data don’t support the pro/rel leagues making a difference.  Those clubs and coaches appear to be self selecting their A teams on par with pro/rel schemes![/quote]

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