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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are you forreal? Of course there are likely hundreds of thousands, if not a few million, black Americans who are descendants of slave and slave owner “relationships” (I put relationships in quotes because most would have been raped or otherwise not fully able to consent to a relationship with their slave master).

I can’t tell if you’re romanticizing a marriage between a SLAVE and her OWNER.  there’s nothing romantic about slavery or raping slaves.

Please do some American history. [/quote]

Dare I say pot kettle.

Do your own research.  The majority of AA in the us are descended from black slave men and indentured white women. This is supported by US state archival records as well as records kept in country of origin.

For example, this is just Maryland for an example: 
http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2008/07/slavery-in-maryland.html 
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Intro_md.htm 
http://genealogydecoded.com/tag/maryland-indentured-servants/ 
http://guide.mdsa.net/pages/viewer.aspx?page=indenturedservants

Yes, op it is often difficult to trace AA genealogy because of slavery.[/quote]

This may be true in some more isolated instances or in some regions, but I don’t think this is true in general—I’ve never heard this explanation.  DNA evidence suggests that many black Americans carry DNA from white slave owners and black slave women.

“Buried in DNA, the researchers found the marks of slavery’s cruelties, including further evidence that white slave owners routinely fathered children with women held as slaves.”

https://nyti.ms/1WqBAyI?smid=nytcore-ios-share
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[b]Sampling less than 4,000 people and connecting the rape is a huge leap.  [/b]Yes, women were raped by white men.  Most men weren’t slaves owners so there’s that.  Plus of the 10 million or so slaves brought to North America, South America and the Caribbean 64.6% were MEN:
http://slavevoyages.org/voyage/search

Interesting information on slavery here:  http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_history_of_american_slavery/2015/06/animated_interactive_of_the_history_of_the_atlantic_slave_trade.html
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Actually, it was a representative sample.  That means it was sampled in a way that accurately represents the population of interest and is generalizable to that population.  I would give this approach much more weight than any anecdotal approaches (I am a health researcher and have worked with large population surveys).  Here's the original paper:

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1006059

Further, the average African American has somewhere in the neighborhood of about 20-25% European ancestry--a pretty high level of admixture.  Here's yet another paper that bears out white paternity via DNA research:

"Through comparison of estimates of X chromosome and genome-wide African and European ancestry proportions, we [b]estimate that approximately 5% of ancestors of African Americans were European females and 19% were European males."[/b]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929714004765

In a country with our particular history of black slavery and disenfranchisement, it makes sense that forced relations between slave holders and slaves/freed people was commonplace, and is responsible for the majority of European admixture we see now among African Americans.  [b]The notion of unforced interracial relationships surely occurred on occasion, but the data suggest this was not what happened in most cases.[/b]  [/quote]

This makes sense to me. Even with the marriages, [b]if your owner wants to marry you, what choice do you really have?[/b] Or in the "consensual" relationships, if your choice is to work the fields, leading to a manual labor and health issues, or get work in the big house if you become a mistress and avoid the back breaking labor, which would you pick? Not so consensual even if it's not a violent assault.
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PP again.  Agreed.  For example, the "relationship" of sorts between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.  She was a quadroon" (1/4 black, herself the product of a relationship betwen a 1/2 black slave mother and white slave owner) slave who accompanied his similarly aged daughter to France when he Minister to France.   He apparently fathered several of her children beginning when she was still a teen.

https://www.monticello.org/sallyhemings/

Perhaps the notion of consensual relations are more palatable--but for subjugated people, I don't think this is an accurate view.[/quote]

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