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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Um, I guess it depends on the culture of the company you work at bc I strongly disagree with the above PP and absolutely think you should bring it up. When this has happened at my company, it has been acknowledged and then fixed (as in, the manager gets greater compensation).

I would say in my industry, being a manager doesn’t mean just “managing,” it often means increased responsibility but also a fair amount of doing still. So there is no question how salary bands and raises SHOULD work based on titles. But it clearly doesn’t always organically happen on its own. [/quote]
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Agree. I don't know of any managers who only "manage" without also doing work themselves.[/quote]

Often when managers "do work themselves", it's the easier stuff. They say it's because they have less bandwidth because they're doing other paperwork crap too, and that's true, but many times it's also the case that they couldn't do a full load of the real work even without that extra paperwork. They need the complex stuff removed.[/quote]

False. Managers generally rise within the ranks because of technical competence, high performance, and vision. It’s the years of being beaten down that cause them to appear less competent. [/quote]

Hahaha. No. It's evident even in this thread - people saying that they'd be annoyed if someone with fewer years of experience than them are paid more, etc. There may be some competent people here and there, but most managers get into management positions because they simply put in the time, and have happy hours with the right people. Nothing to do with competency or high performance or vision at all.[/quote]

The majority of managers I've worked with in my current agency and my previous agency got there via the former situation. They were very good workers who hit the ceiling of their pay grade. Their options were to stay at that pay grade forever or take a manager position. Most of them would kill to have two straight days in the lab to work on a project or a single uninterrupted day to pound out a report. Instead they are pulled in ten different directions with their direct reports on one side and their own supervisors on the other. Front line manager positions are the worst (note that I say it's the position, not the actual people).

Also, I've found that people's starting salaries can vary even when 90% of the resume is the same. Either one drove a hard bargain, was coming from a position with a higher salary, or was hired during a different fiscal year and budget, etc.[/quote]

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