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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Talk to the VP.  HR's job is to protect the company from lawsuits, not help employees.  They cannot and will not help with your situation.[/quote]

I am in HR and this the statement above is inaccurate in every job I have worked. We advise management on how to avoid discrimination or unlawful termination, but avoiding a suit itsn't the focus. Also - I am primarily held accountable for retention and morale. Bad managers are at the top of my list of things to resolve as they are the number 1 reason good employee leave! That said, I know not all HR departments are the same. I have several examples of situations like yours from throughout my career. In most cases, the bad manager was terminated - but usually not as fast as the direct report would like. So I would say go to HR but start looking.[/quote]

This is pretty much the line I hear from folks on the HR side. Almost nobody outside of HR who is over 30 believes them.  
I mean, it sounds reasonable enough. We just trust what we see with our own eyes over what somebody says. (especially if that somebody has, not just a "conflict of interest" but an official and paid opposing interest)

Look aggressively, now. [/quote]

Sounds like the OP did the worst thing s/he could have done under the circumstances.  I've made similar mistakes, so I won't be like other posters and say "I told you so."  Some people need to learn from experience.  I guaranty the OP won't make the same mistake twice.

HR is not and never will be your friend.  Any HR person who tells you the above BS is not only lying to you, but is lying to themselves.  HR is there to protect the company and to keep upper management happy.  It will not - and I repeat WILL NOT - do anything that kills the Golden Goose, whether that person is a mid-level manager, top salesperson, etc...  The bottom line is the only thing that matters.  In my 25 years in the workforce I have seen one contrary instance of this, and HR had nothing to do with it - except, of course, to argue that the employee appeared to need "coaching."  Fortunately in that case, the employee had been the college roommate of the CEO's daughter.  She told the true story to the daughter, who in turn told her dad.  The CEO was so incensed at being misled that he fired the head of HR and the problematic manager.[/quote]

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