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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread reminds me of the old joke:
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The old joke has zero applicability to this thread.

The original question wasn't, "How can I sit on my ass and eat potato chips all day and expect boons to fall into my lap?" It was, "How can I pray effectively?" It goes without saying that human effort is required. That's a given. But if you think God is just there to pat you on the shoulder and sit back and eat His potato chips while human effort does all the work, you worship a useless God. Even atheists agree that all the effort you put into working towards a goal can be useless if you have incredibly bad luck.

Divine intervention can and has created miracles. Miracles are recorded in every religion. People being warned of disaster by angelic beings ahead of time, people being saved from cancer at the last possible second, people surviving disastrous accidents, etc.

And the human effort + luck part? That luck part is God, and sometimes significant luck is required. Sorry you loathe yourself so much that you don't think you deserve it.[/quote]

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