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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Question to the Muslims on the thread:

If wine flows abundantly in Paradise what's wrong with drinking it on earth?

Would your answer vary depending on which "nation" you or your ancestors are from, on which madhhab is followed there?

Thank you.[/quote]

Oh look, a fundie who can't read and likes to impart their judgment and criticism of others. Shocking. [/quote]

Please explain to us how making an accurate observation that wine flows in Paradise, then asking two questions depicts me
as:

"a fundie who can't read and likes to impart their judgment and criticism of others."

How am I fundie?  What am I failing to read, Oh wise one?  And how am I criticizing anything?[/quote]

you are a fundie b/c you keep using the word madhab for different schools of thought within Islam- ordinary, non extremist Muslims use the word madhab for a different religion altogether- Islam is our Madhab, only religious extremists are so bent on the purity and rightness of their particular school that they refer to other schools within the single madhab of Islam as a different madhab altogether. I don't drink and don't agree with the above poster b/c paradise isn't a real place - we don't go to hawaii when we die- but I think this is one of the things that immediately struck me as strange and frankly alarming about your language use.  If you aren't that sort of person, you shouldn't use that kind of language- only crazy ppl who support Mumtaz Qadri say stuff like that

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35684452

[/quote]

You apparently are a Westernized Moslem, if you are Moslem at all, who resorts to the BBC for your "expertise."

I see you the BBC and raise you Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, Reliance of the Traveller  a classic manual of Islamic sacred law,

translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller,  Amana Publications, revised edition, 1994.

Available from Amazon.

First, you use the meme language of "extremist" Muslims, which tells me you know nothing about canonical Islam.

Observant Muslims don't believe they are being "extreme" by being observant.   Secularist Westerners think to be observant is to be extreme.  Thus the self-serving meme.

Guardian article, "Can we stop using 'moderate Muslims' because it's meaningless?"  I don't have that cite memorized but it's available.

Prime Minister Erdogan, speaking at Oxford's Center for Islamic Understanding (from memory, it's close enough), said
There's no such thing as moderate Islam, there's just Islam.

Now, as for your "Islam is our Madhab...."  your opinion is factually wrong.

Reliance:

Book B  The Validity of Following Qualified Scholarship      the four Sunni schools, obligation of following  b7.6

To be Muslim means to worship Allah /the way the Prophet Muhammad worshipped Allah./
It isn't a do-it-yourself make it up as you go along thing.

You deny Paradise exists.  I hope you don't believe that while continuing to call yourself Muslim, if you are.

I don't care what you think of me because if you are Muslim you are quite Westernized.  [/quote]

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