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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Just personal opinion.  It seems reasonable to me that the Muslims who find themselves in Kufaar lands for professional reasons, or who emigrate here, are more attuned to our ways than those who are observantly Salafist.

Behavior that would be troublesome if not dangerous back home is remarked upon in the vein of,  "Oh, you're an LDS/you're a Muslim who drinks...."

Many non-Muslims who've heard of that proscription know exceeding little about what Sunni Islam's holy texts say.  Even fewer care to look and see what they say.  Hearsay on the media is good enough for them.

Tangential to OP's question, I wonder how many Muslims here are more culturally Muslim than devout followers of the Qur'an, Sunnah, and whichever maddhab they identify with?

Devout Catholics tend to walk their talk.  I would suppose devout Muslims do too.

Let's not confuse "Muslim-in-name-only," when the relatives are there to call them on it, with the observant living in predominantly Muslim locations.

By and large, different behavior.

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Most Muslims don't even know what the text say. Alcohol isn't even forbidden - the real crime is drunkenness, or rather, the lapses in judgment that result from drunkenness. Wine is flowing abundantly in the Muslim version of heaven, where the time of judgment is over.

But Islamically speaking, a little bit of alcohol here and there is actually halal.

As is the pattern in the way many people practice their religion (Islam, Christianity, or otherwise), people tend to resort to extremes.[/quote]

Actually that varies- many shiites believe that intoxication is forbidden, most sunnis believe that intoxicants are forbidden

as to the above person referencing salafi islam :  most salafi/wahhabis think anyone who is not salafi/wahhabi is a munafiq/hypocrite and that it is their task to serve as gatekeepers of the umma and identify the munafiq within - most of these types of people don't believe in ayat 256 of sura al baqara ( They're shall be no compulsion in religion) or only believe that it applies to ppl who don't self identify as Muslim, they believe that if you self identify as Muslim anyone who has power can compel you to abide by their interpretation of Shariah.

Wine is not forbidden in the Quran- the way surah al maideh verses 90-91 are translated: intoxicants are forbidden but i know many muslims who believe it says intoxication is forbidden like the above poster. Since faith is between Allah and HIs creation and  its not my job to judge, I stay away from intoxicants but respect other's beliefs and their self identification as Muslims. There are 600 plus commandments , maybe they are better at keeping some of those than I am, no-one else has any right to judge wether a Momin is one or not aside from the ONE worthy of worship. [/quote]

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