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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]His ability to not only get accepted into these four schools but to win those scholarships at Williams and W&L says one thing: this kid is a high performing kid. And he's athletic too. I would not be worried about being surrounded by other high performing people. He will probably thrive off of it. As a graduate from another sought after college, the notions of "intensity" is something I've always found peculiar for while some students were certainly intensely committed to the A-track or their courses, most were laid back and friendly (and still high performing). So don't worry too much about the campus vibes from that angle. Williams and W&L are both excellent, wonderful colleges and I have always held Williams in high regards because many of my father's close friends went there (graduates from the 1960s), and they are stellar men who went on to top ranked graduate schools and had successful, productive and active lives. However, and I will concede this point, both W&L and Williams will have a more clubby environment that someone who is not from the cloistered world of the affluent upper middle classes might find off-putting or isolating. He will probably be more comfortable at either Harvard or Yale, who have greater diversity of backgrounds in their student body. This is not to say he won't find his niche at Williams or W&L but some people do struggle with being surrounded by a preponderance of visibly affluent students. Based on everything I've read on here I would quietly nudge him towards Yale. Great college house system, plenty of intramural sports, very bright students, close interaction with the faculty, the name opens just as many doors as Harvard and the resources are just as good, and it's more urban and New York is not far away. Is it not possible to do a quick overnight visit to both Williams and Yale? And Harvard, too?[/quote] Thanks for the detailed comment. You're absolutely correct that Yale and Harvard will give him a huge diversity of students to interact with, whereas Williams and W&L are much smaller and more isolated. His end goal is hopefully an economics PhD, but he is flexible to change and he wants to get the best undergraduate experience possible. He's an intellectually motivated kid who'll be making the most of his core requirements- not as something to check of, but something to gain a broader perspective. In that sense, he likes how liberal arts Yale, W&L, and Williams are; he worries there may be a divide or stigma against liberal arts focused students at Harvard. With everything as of now, he is leaning towards Yale. He'll absolutely do an overnight, however. He has a close friend now at Harvard who also was deciding between H and Y, and eventually picked H because he felt that the opportunities there were more plentiful. His comment was that H has dramatically increased their focus on undergraduates in these last few years and has established the faculty links and intimacy that Y and P are known for. We'll see if these sentiments are true upon an overnight visit. He already visited W&L since he was a candidate for the scholarship, but he's pretty sure he's crossing it out at this point due to a poor fit. The Tyng Scholarship is appealing because that's 20K in funding that he won't have to work to get at H/Y. He has spoken to Williams people on the FB page and many of them do research at major U's at the summer to get both the liberal arts environment with world class research opportunities. There is a great alumni network there and at all the best graduate schools will constantly provide Williams students with opportunities. But he also knows that H and Y have funding for nearly everything, including some things Williams won't fund, like summer international experiences. He will inquire with students to see how easy it is to get opportunities, so there may not be a huge difference in what Williams guarantees to offer and what H/Y offer on average to their students. One thing that he found interesting is this website: http://collegecompletion.chronicle.com/ Williams spends a respectable $270,253 on educational spending for each degree, but Yale is spending a whopping $556,675 and Harvard $381,077, suggesting that the experience he may be getting at H and Y may be more valuable. [/quote]
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