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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm pretty much with the OP on this one. So much violence and conflict over religion, from the Inquisition to the Holocaust to ISIS. Yes, these were/are extremists, but so many wars and so many deaths. So why doesn't God reach out and at least guide people to a better understanding after all this time? Seems kind of crazy.[/quote]

NP, but I have to go back to PP's point that Marxism and fascism haven't worked out that well either. Look over to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-un and others and ask yourself whether atheism as state doctrine has done much better.

FWIW fascism is a nationalist/racist ideology rather than a religious one (weird parallels with the alt-right/
 crowd, but I digress). 
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There's no argument that Marxism and fascism are not better than religion -- but so what?  They don't have God on their side.  Religion does and if God is kind and cares about humans and offers us eternal life (depending on the religion) then religion ought to be better than a man-made government.

But some forms of government are good -- the happiest people are in Scandanavia, where religious belief is the lowest and socialist government provides health care and education.[/quote]

You don't get "God on your side" just because you're culturally from a certain religion or even wave your religiosity around.

God doesn't join your team just because you label yourself this or that. Progressive Christians think Trump and Paul Ryan are hypocrites and would certainly take issue with you saying "God is on their side." Even many evangelical leaders oppose the Right's social policies based on their understanding of the Gospels (except for the abortion issue which isn't actually in the Bible). Just because the Nazis were culturally Christian in no way puts God in their corner. Moderate Muslims feel the same way about ISIS.[/quote]

Obviously, God wouldn't be "on your side" if you don't even believe in him.  But still, God lets those people have happy lives. [/quote]

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