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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off. [/quote]

Are you saying that was a good excuse for the pattern of poor behavior with multiple female coworkers, even prior to his interactions with Ryan?[/quote]

This. That argument only makes sense if Justin behaved well right up until he encountered Blake and Ryan and then they did terrible things to him and made him behave badly.

But what we're starting to see now is that multiple women and potentially also some other witnesses (such as production heads on the movie) encountered Justin's negative behaviors before there were any issues with Blake. Which would indicate that this is just who Justin is. I'm really landing on that -- I think he's a narcissist who has issues with women (he literally said so himself in his apology to Alex Saks for yelling at her her, twice, in zoom meetings, all before any of the issues with Blake) and has tried to paper over these issues with his faux "male feminism" schtick. I think all of this independently of Blake's behavior, It seems like this is who he was all along.

I also keep coming back to this problem that both Saks and Jenny Slate have highlighted at various points, which is that he should not have been trying to star, direct, and produce this movie, and that in doing so it not only brought out some of his worst behaviors (as stress tends to do) but also put many of these women, but especially his costars, in really difficult positions because they couldn't tell their director or producer "hey I'm not comfortable with what my costar is doing in this scene," because he is everything at once. And they also couldn't go to Heath to express concerns about Baldoni's behavior because Heath and Baldoni were a unit and Heath was going to back up everything Baldoni did and vice versa, so if when there were issues with both their behavior, they both just united against the criticism and there was no one who could step in and say "hey let's just handle it this way so everyone is comfortable." Especially because the one woman in a position of authority on set, Alex Saks, had been sidelined by Baldoni and Heath and locked out of a lot of these choices since she wasn't part of Wayfarer.

None of this has anything to do with Blake really. It's a bad dynamic from the jump, and we are seeing how other people involved in this movie and in previous projects with Wayfarer identified this issue and struggled with it. That means even if Blake sucks, even if her behavior was bad or Ryan was overbearing or whatever, there's still a good chance she was a victim of this dynamic because she had nothing to do with creating it. That was all Baldoni and Heath and others at Wayfarer, making affirmative choices to create an unhealthy work environment that was hostile, specifically, to women.[/quote]

Could you please point out the multiple women that have come forward, because I’ve been really close to this case and I have not seen this. I have seen that Jenny Slate was uncomfortable because he recorded a Zoom meeting, and was annoyed by Jamie Heath espousing motherhood when giving her a housing benefit and I believe she objected to Baldoni hugging her or something?

Isabel did not seem to have any problems with Justin until she was arguing harassment over the subpoena being served to her…. but that does not mean she had a problem with him during the movie and I’ve only seen her text where she’s thanked him for having a comfortable and safe set. Weird words if she was going to come back and accuse him of harassment.

Robin lively did not want him to hug her. That is not sexual harassment and that is absolutely laughable that’s it’s even included and embarrassing for Blake because as soon as people said multiple women, the joke was I bet it’s her sister. Turns out it was.

Liz plank seemed to really enjoy working with him and quit only after these allegations came out, and we know she has a complicated relationship with Reynolds since he is backing her production company. Claire, who is also doing doing a project with Liz plank and Alex Sachs by the way, also seemed to just have a great working relationship with him, but I don’t believe any allegations of sexual harassment were made.

I’m sorry about this multiple women coming forward is a joke.

You do realize Colleen Hoover begged him to star and direct in this movie don’t you? He actually had concerns with playing the character and she really pushed for it. She didn’t think anyone else could do it justice . So to blame him for doing that when then she turned around inside with Blake is really rich.

It doesn’t seem you know even basic facts about this case and you just want to blindly defend Blake. Good luck with that and let’s see how that turns out.[/quote]

Catching up on reading 10 pages of this thread today after a long time on Reddit.

Happy to see the SJ filings turning more people positive towards Lively than before. I was pro-Lively this whole time but I agree the recent filings show other women on set like Slate and Saks having trouble with Baldoni even before Lively ever said anything. Which helps Lively a lot imho because Freedman has been trying to portray her as some rogue, bitter woman who unaccountably has it out for him. That is not matching these facts.

It does really annoy me that some Baldoni fans immediately turn on and villainize any woman who says anything negative about Baldoni. Lively, Slate, Ferrer, Saks, Ayoub, Hoover, Plank, etc.

To the poster above, while Hoover may have started in Baldoni’s corner, she complained about him coming to her with complaints about Lively and trying to turn her against Lively. And she appreciated Lively involving her in the movie editing, and not trying to turn her like Baldoni was doing.  And *that* immediately made Hoover a target for pro-Baldoni Redditors, of course.

It’s exhausting. How many women need to have a problem with this man until you start to believe the complaints?  At some point it seems like you should be able to say that all this tends to suggest he’s problematic, but ymmv. [/quote]

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