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SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing.  There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues. [/quote]

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic. 
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Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim.  None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused [/quote]

Sure.  Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

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Where is the help?  Seriously.  Everyone keeps saying, get the kid help.  The help is on a 6 month waiting list.  The kid, most likely, did not show signs of needing to be admitted to a hospital for immediate treatment.  Weekly therapy is $200 a week plus - for a middle class family, that is the difference between affording their mortgage or therapy.  Therapy covered by insurance is near impossible to come by.  The process is slow and finding a good therapist on the first go around, is also close to impossible.  
I am not implying that we shouldn't try but if you have not been in the situation to try to get your child help in the last year, you should not be screaming that.  There.is.not.help.  [/quote]
DO, with a kid in therapy. I know how expensive it’s. Guess what, that does not change the fact that these kids need help. We cannot just throw up our hands. We need to be screaming our lungs out that we need a workable, affordable mental health system. We need to offer suffering families viable resources. We cannot just say it does not work, costs too much and walk away. People are suffering, raise our voices.[/quote]

Let’s talk about why so many kids are so broken and don’t blame the pandemic - this was a problem well before Covid[/quote]

Excellent point.  Parents are more consumed with themselves, and less consumed with their children, perhaps. For instance, the parents of this particular shooter could not even be bothered to take him home that day, and clearly wanted him to be someone - anyone- else's problem.  [/quote]

Oh shut up. It isn’t always the parents fault. In this case, maybe. Maybe not. 
Things happen biologically, physically and mentally to kids that cause trauma. Mental illness is not the parents fault. 
The fact that people are recognizing many kids are “broken” and need help is actually a positive thing. [/quote]

No one said that mental illness is the parents fault.  Failing to get them the help they need, most certainly is.  The school can't raise your kid.

We found a therapist that has a sliding scale fee.  If you want to find the help, it most certainly is out there.

You shut up.

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I'm not the previous poster but this "help" is illusory. The parents I know with kids with serious issues struggle constantly to find and afford help. Most of the help they can afford is very temporary. [/quote]

These garbage parents didn’t try AT ALL. So spare us the sob story about “struggling constantly to find and afford help.”[/quote]

Exactly. If there was a trail of attempts made to seek mental health treatment, if they hadn’t bought him a gun (or at the very least searched his backpack that day!!), if they had even seemed concerned enough to check him out of school when those concerns were raised, this would be a much different scenario. But these are parents who stuck their head in the sand. They just wanted a kid to have fun with (take him shooting and post about it on social media, laughing and telling him not to get caught searching ammo, etc). They absolutely failed in some very basic duties including simply being responsible gun owners who keep their weapon properly locked up. [/quote]

Yes - they 100% failed him (and the school community) on the gun issue.  No doubt or question there.
However, you have no idea if they sought treatment for their child.  Pulling him out of school that day without being able to predict the future would have done no good.  You cannot march directly into a therapists office within hours of having a school counselor call you in. The parents were horrifically irresponsible for giving him the gun but expecting them to pull him from school and find help within hours is delusional - recognizing that no one thought he would shoot up the school.[/quote]

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