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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores.  This isn't China!  If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country. [/quote]

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Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.

The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"

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But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not  :wink: [/quote]

GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.

The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.[/quote]

I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.  
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.

What I don't agree is throwing in race.[/quote]

Good for you and MIT.

1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.[/quote]

Yes.

Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:

"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."

Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?

Crickets.[/quote]

That's called range restriction.  At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict.  Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive.  The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.[/quote]

The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.

The UC system is test blind.

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It's test blind now.  The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together.  People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.[/quote]

Not quite.

The state was [b]sued[/b] by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.

The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.

Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.[/quote]

Sorry for Blacks  :roll:

Berkeley

Asian 35%

White 21%

Hispanic 20%

International 13%

Two or more races 6%

Unknown 3%

Black 2%

American Indian 0%

Pacific Islander 0%[/quote]

Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.[/quote]

but but they are Test Blind, No SAT as you like.

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Berkeley is but one school in the UC system, albeit at elite level.

Between Berkeley, UCLA and UC Davis, it's closer to 6% combined.

Not bad.

Will get better.[/quote]

Berkeley - Black 2%
UCLA - Black 3% 
:cry:

Doesn't seem like SAT is the problem, it got worse without SAT [/quote]

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