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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores.  This isn't China!  If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country. [/quote]

Welcome to the thread, but seat down.
For the millionth time, it's not just 'test scores'
You are completely off.
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And for the millionth time, there is no data suggesting that all of the Asian students submitted were the top of all the Asians nor any other group. So the 13% or whatever of Asian that are admitted are not the best of their own subgroup of students submitting applications. Even with top scores across everything, including personality scores, it is not a guaranteed seat. [/quote]

The discovery in the Harvard case actually did indicate this - Harvard’s own internal analysis showed that if it had based admissions on academic and extracurricular records (meaning more than test scores), there would be a substantially higher number (likely close to twice as many with an outright majority) of Asian students on campus.

If people want diversity to be a goal, which is something that I agree with, then that’s absolutely great.

However, people getting blinded that they’re employing a discriminatory process against a minority group in order to achieve that goal is an inherent problem.[/quote]

But thats not all they use for admissions. You are not guaranteed a seat no matter how great your grades, ECs, leadership, personality are. There are more applicants than seats. What will be happen next? There are 3000 seats for freshman and there are 4000 Asian applicants who are top rated on all the above and they pick 3000. What about the other 1000? Will it be because 50% of the 100 are Chinese? Or statistically the Chinese Asian Americans are more likely to gain admittance?

Like wtf.  :roll:

If Harvard is your only chance of success or benchmark for success, its not Harvard that is the problem. 
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It's not about "guaranteed" seats, but more that one group is being discriminated against.  This group  has to outperform on every metric and are given low personality scores without any face to face interactions. Imagine if that group was African Americans. And in fact, this is what those schools did to Jews when Jews started to outperform WASPS in every measurable metric.  So, those schools threw in subjective, "soft" metrics like letters of recs and extra curriculars, and "likeability" scores.

Again, imagine if that was happening  today to African Americans by schools.[/quote]

Clearly one group isn't out-performing on all metrics if they can't get decent personality scores.

Believe it or not when you go in for that job interview, you are going to be assigned a "personality score" that will determine whether you get that job, regardless of your "objective" skills and qualifications. Managers want people with skills and that "holistic" nebulous quality you call "likeability."   [/quote]

Yep.  I work for a tech start up and many applicants can’t get past our CEO.  He likes extroverts.  Fair or not, it’s why he likes and he finds them.[/quote]

Your CEO actually talked to the applicants like the Harvard interviewers, but the Harvard AOs didn't even see the face of applicants  :cry:  [/quote]

Alumni interviewers are not professional college admission officers.  [/quote]
And these " professional college admission officers" have never even met the candidates that marked as "low" on the likeability score. [/quote]

Unlike interviewers, AOs have access to the application files.  [/quote]

files like teacher recommendation and such which wasn't negative at all.
It's only AOs imagination that gave applicatns low sccore.

Justice will be served by the Supreme Court.

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