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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Crime will increase as unwanted children are born, according to the Freakonomics guys. There are many more societal ills than benefits when you force women to have a baby. [/quote]

Then why not kill all the unwanted kids too? Heck, let’s include the useless adults too. I mean as long as it’s their mom deciding, it’d be ok, right?  Round ‘em up and crush their heads and throw ‘me in the bio-disposal can. It’d all be very convenient for the rest of us now wouldn’t it, unless of course you were one of the useless ones ...

Anyhow, to me it is not a matter of choice. It is a matter of when (scientifically) a human life begins. Before then, destroy the zygote or fetus or whatever it is at your convenience, but after that point, whether the child is still in the womb or not, it is murder. Period. Take the religious, emotional and “woman” rights arguments away and base the law upon science. [/quote]

You can actually physically separate a child from its mother; you cannot physically separate a fetus from the mother.  If a mother does not want a child she can hand him over to authorities.  If she does not want a fetus in her body and it is not viable; [b]that life is dependent on her[/b] and is inside her body and it is her right to decide whether she wants that.

Pregnancy is still dangerous.  Many women still die giving birth.  If a woman does not want to carry a baby; that’s where the line is regarding whose rights matter more.  Mind you fetuses are becoming viable earlier and earlier due to technology.  It’s not that complicated of a concept.[/quote]

The life is still dependent upon the parents, even after it is born.  It can't give itself nutrition after it is born.  [/quote]
A baby who has been born does not need either of its biological parents to be the ones giving it nutrition. You’d think the people who are always beating the drum that adoption is the solution to unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t need that explained to them.[/quote]

Then don't use "the baby is dependent upon her" as a justification for the right to end it's life.[/quote]

THE FETUS IS DEPENDENT ON HER. Are you daft?[/quote]

NO.  I am not daft.  My point is that the fetus is also dependent on her AFTER it is born.  ALSO.[/quote]

The is fetus is dependent on the particular woman in whose uterus it resides. A baby is dependent on any adult that takes care of it.

If and when a fetal transplant is possible I would expect you to be the first to sign up to receive one.[/quote]

I'd rather do that, than end it's life.[/quote]

Really?  How many children have you adopted?[/quote]

One.  Any other questions?[/quote]

And did you adopt that child because it was unwanted or because YOU wanted it?[/quote]

Obviously, both.[/quote]

Why not adopt more than 1?  Why not adopt a set of siblings?  Or 5, or 6, or 7 children?[/quote]

It depends upon how many other people's responsibilities I can take on.[/quote]

How do YOU know that?  How do you know what you can handle and [b]why should I trust your judgement of that?[/b]  I think you can take care of 7 children just fine.  I mean, you already have at least one, and you are advocating for more unwanted children to be available.  Besides, millions of children are in the foster care system, I’m sure you can make it work since so many are in need![/quote]

You don't want anyone to question your judgement on your choices regarding abortion, yet you want to question my judgement?  I see.[/quote]

Of course I am questioning your judgment!  [b]Why shouldn’t I?[/b]  You are advocating for millions of unwanted children to be born!

[b]Why don’t you want to take any responsibility for your choices?[/b]  Why aren’t you adopting more unwanted children?[/quote]

1)  For the same reason you don't want me questioning yours.

2)  I've taken responsibility for every one of my own children, plus someone else's.

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So, are you saying it would be unfair to judge a woman for having an abortion and that it is something between her doctor and her?[/quote]

The law allows it, so I am in no position to judge.  However, that doesn't mean I agree with it.[/quote]

Well, I judge you for your inconsistency.  You literally just said you would be willing to carry someone else’s fetus, and then you backed out with this nonsense about how many children you can handle.

I don’t think hypocrites like you have a right to decide!  You want all those unwanted babies brought to term, you take care of them![/quote]

No inconsistency.  I said I'd RATHER carry it, than kill it.

Then, you asked how MANY I'd be willing to adopt.  Not WHETHER I'd be willing to adopt.  That's NOT backing out.

It's hysterical people like you who think that I think I have a "right to decide".  I didn't say I was deciding for anyone.  I said that I DON'T AGREE.  Big difference.  Nice try.

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You don't agree with what, exactly?[/quote]

The decision to kill a baby simply because you don't want it.[/quote]Why is it good to have a baby when you don’t want it?[/quote]

Because that baby deserves a chance to live.    There are plenty of people who were adopted, that live normal lives....even though their biological parents did not want them.[/quote]

There are also plenty of people who have fetal alcohol syndrome, who were neglected and abused, and have horrible lives because they were not wanted.  So the fact that some people have a good outcome is not the determining factor.

Look, I would not have an abortion, but I’ve been pregnant and I can’t comprehend forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term.  That is barbaric.  I can’t even imagine the mentality of someone who offers lip service to “babies” without realizing that the pregnant woman was once a baby herself and has parents and people who love her, and deserves the right to decide what to do with her health and body.  Pregnancy is a serious condition and abortion is a medical procedure.  You don’t want to live in a country where women get illegal abortions.  It is monstrous.[/quote]

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