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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do you have to consent to the rape kit procedure? [/quote]

Yes.  You don't have to do it, whether or not you decide to press charges.[/quote]

Dis she consent to it or was she unconscious? Anyone know? [/quote]

No one knows for sure whether she consented to being fingered.  Based on eyewitness accounts, she was passed out drunk and was unable to giving consent to being dry humped. [/quote]

So by your logic he could have taken her purse, watch, jewelry and pierced her cheek before the swedes arrived and his word that she had agreed to all of that would suffice, wouldn't be appropriate to question further simply because there wasn't an eyewitness? [/quote]

Well, people hook up and engage in sex acts for a reason.  And certainly most hookups are consensual with both people wanting to do what they are doing.  I think that Emily Doe likely engaged in sexual activity with Brock Turner.  Neither one of these people were sober enough or knew each other well enough to accurately gauge the level of drunkeness - not just of each other, but of themselves.  They underestimated just how hammered they were.

All of that violent stuff that you mention would be unwanted no matter what.  Not the same thing.[/quote]

Bullshit. You don't get to assume her consent in one situation and not another.   And, btw, most women I know would be far more likely to consent to giving someone their watch than having some sniveling jackass's filthy (literally filthy and covered with dirt and pine needles) hands shoved inside them with such force as to cause abrasions.

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You are offended by the disgusting location behind the dumpsters.  I agree with you - that is not a place that most women (or men) would want to fool around.  The idea of laying down in those pine needles that party goers had very likely peed and puked on...hey, I'm with you.  That is disgusting.   That is beyond gross. But Brock and Emily Doe did end up together behind those dumpsters and there is no indication that she was dragged there.  She walked with him.  In fact, he said in his statement that she led him there.  Hard to believe but you have to realize that this girl was drunk and probably did not want to be seen by her sister sucking face with this guy (just a guess).  One thing led to another, he touched her with dirty gross hands, she probably touched him with her dirty gross hands. She wound up passing out.  And Brock was seen humping her passed out body.

Both of these people were out of control drunk that night.  That isn't an excuse for Brock touching her passed out body.  But it certainly explains some of the extremely bad choices that they both made.

If the facts were different - if he had carried or dragged her to that location while she was passed out and proceeded to assault her that would be a much more serious situation.  But it really does sound like she walked there.

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