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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Can I get an unbiased explanation of the point Vance was trying to make with his immigration fact, checking? Was it that the immigrants came here illegally and not vetted?[/quote]

Vance attempted to mislead about the situation by equating two separate programs. The Haitians in Springfield are legally in the U.S. due to temporary protected status. Vance referred to them as being illegal which is what led to the factcheck. Vance then tried to claim that they were really here under a different program that involves an app and which he and others allege is rife with fraud. Even that second group would be legal, so even if he wasn't discussing the wrong program, Vance would still be wrong to call them illegal. His point, I believe, is that the second program is so filled with holes that those coming here under it are de facto, if not de jure, illegal. [/quote]

So we have a process where Democrats can circumvent US immigration policy/ the intention of immigration laws and just fly immigrants wherever they want and flood communities? Yeah nice.
PS Are you "friends with school shooters" too.[/quote]

No, the point is that the system is complicated and overwhelmed, and that (like the tax laws) people adjust to take advantage of perceived loopholes.  So you need a strong, nimble federal government that's able to make adjustments.  The Biden administration HAS made adjustments and brought the crossings down SIGNIFICANTLY.  They tried to make bigger adjustments thru legislation, but Trump blocked that for selfish political reasons.  Trump's history was that he basically hollowed out the State Department and the ICE folks that enforce/administer the administrative laws, so that left Biden in a not-great position, and they had to staff back up and get things back on track.  Even the desired, legal immigration went way down during the Trump years, because he is an agent of chaos that was unable to run an effective and efficient government.  Does the app have problems?  Maybe -- most apps do!  That's why people then adjust and fix them.  [/quote]

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