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[background conversation among, generally. YIMBYs & NIMBYs]

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When someone asks you where you have heard people say things, they are probably not expecting a response of "In the conversation I made up in my head."[/quote]

^^^and to clarify:  I think the zoning proposals are generally a good idea, even if not a single one of the residents of the new housing ever sets foot on a bus. [/quote]

Way to avoid the issue.  Good thing most can see that avoidance as merely a rhetorical/political ploy.[/quote]

Way to avoid which issue? The PP said, "The increased density in detached SFH neighborhood initiatve is dependent on bus, among many other things." However, I don't think it is dependent on the bus. I think it's a good idea [b][i][u]completely irrespective of bus usage[/u][/i][/b]. If you have a different opinion about this, please explain. Or don't explain, it's up to you.[/quote]

DP. If it’s not dependent on the bus, does this mean you’re for road widening to serve the additional density? [/quote]

Nope. That would encourage more driving, more traffic, more traffic congestion, and of course more pavement and more heat. I think there's general agreement that we don't want any of those things. Right?

Please stop thinking of car traffic as some natural phenomenon, and start thinking of it as the result of people's choices. When it's more convenient for people to go places by driving, people drive more. When it's less convenient for people to go places by driving, people drive less. When it's more convenient for people to go places without driving, people also drive less.[/quote]

I think most people agree with this in general. What I think they disagree with is that Moco will ever be able to put together a system in which the convenience of using it outweighs driving. [/quote]

But MoCo already has that. Do you drive for every single trip? Every time you go anywhere, you get in a car first? And do you never make decisions like, I will take the mid-day appointment instead of the 8:30 am appointment so I don't have to drive south on 270 during rush hour? or As long as I'm already at Giant, I will just run next door to CVS instead of making a separate trip? Those are also examples of choices people make.

Insisting on 100% of people making 0% of trips by car is a unrealistic as expecting 100% of people to make 100% of trips by car, and I don't think anybody is insisting on 100% of people making 0% of trips by car. We just need change on the margins - more people making fewer trips by car, compared to now.[/quote]

Which can be done without the kinds of density in existing detached SFH neighborhoods being put forth currently.  Far more effective to encourage build-out of under-built semi-urban areas within a half mile of Metro, like downtown Silver Spring, already zoned for higher densities.  Or purposefully dense greenfield development, where work-life-shop-services can be planned with well aligned densities and served directly by high-frequency linking transit, rather than expensively and disruptively shoehorning that blend of uses into areas where infrastructure/etc., would not support the increase (and in many cases hasn't been kept up enough to support existing populations/uses).[/quote]

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