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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't believe Justin sexually harassed Blake. I believe the "smear" campaign was 95% organic. But I still have yet to see a good explanation for this:

''We've also started to see a shift on social, due largely to Jed and his team's efforts to shift the narrative towards shining a spot light on Blake and Ryan."

I can't stop thinking about this quote, and I do think it's one of the main things pro-BLers are hanging onto, and I can't blame them. People will say shifting the narrative can entail positive press about Justin, and it doesn't have to be anything disparaging toward Ryan  and Blake, but right there, in that quote, it says they shifted the narrative by "shining a spotlight on Blake and Ryan."[/quote]

I'm on the same wavelength as you (i don't know if I'd say 95% though). The most unsatisfying result for all parties would be if the jury does find some retaliation occurred, but not enought to show any kind of damages.  Basically saying WF did it but BL also sucks.[/quote]

PP curious what percentage you do think it is and the extent of wallace's involvement? i actually think i went too low and would put the amount of organic posts at maybe 98%. there was just so much organic discussion of blake derailing the movie and bad press about her on sites like ONTD where membership is closed off and no bad actors can get in and post whatever they want. ppl who pay attention to celeb gossip just don't like her and were primed to go after her[/quote]

PP. I honestly couldn't say. Could be more, could be less. I feel like the stuff feeds off itself... let's say they seeded content about her, that activates the people who already didn't like her legitimately, and then they post more actively, and other creators (organically) create more negative BL content (but it might not have happened if it hadn't been for the initial inorganic activity)... it's really hard to say. I definitely do think there was some kind of boost that happened, because I don't follow celebrity gossip at all, have not really known anything BL has done since Gossip Girl, and was not aware of the movie, but even I heard all about that stupid Flaa interview, and I remember thinking "why is this old ass interview everywhere all the time?" So for me if it reached me that suggests it was something inorganic, and the NYT article completely clicked for me and I really bought into it. And since then, I've learned more about BL's bad reputation in general and have accepted a lot of this was also organic. It's just going to be impossible to untangle her history from whatever bot activity occurred (and I think some did). I mean imagine being BL at the trial. First she puts on her case in front of the jury showing whatever she found that Wallace did, then the defense mounts evidence of how people have hated you for years![/quote]

DP but on a similar page as both of you. My thinking is influenced by a similar experience to yours from last August, though not for me -- for my husband. At some point last August, my husband, who does not follow celeb news, could not possibly care less about Blake Lively, has never seen her in anything (not even Gossip Girl), was not actually aware she was married to Ryan Reynolds, etc... turned to me one evening and asked me to please explain why his Twitter feed was full of talk about Blake Lively and the Flaa interview, as well as comments about her wedding from years prior. He was very confused.

I was fully on the Blake Lively hate wagon at that time, as I do actually follow celebrity news. I also do work in advocacy for survivors of DV and sexual violence, so I was aware of the movie (never saw it but heard about it) and also hear about some of her weird comments and behavior in promoting it. So I knew what he was talking about and could fill him in.

Then months passed, we both forgot about it, and then the lawsuits. I'm an attorney and, as I said, DV and sexual violence are areas of interest for me. So I read the complaints and started following the case.

And when I consider the retaliation case, I keep coming back to that night last August when my husband and I, who had no reason to discuss Black Lively or this movie neither of us ever saw, had an hour long conversation about this interview she did years ago, whether or not her wedding was racist, etc. In retrospect, it's weird, and reading about Jed Wallace, Melissa Nathan and her possible involvement in Depp/Heard, and the texts from Abel, Baldoni, and Nathan around this time, it really raises questions for me about how "organic" it all was. I am still open to the idea that it was organic, but it certainly seems like there's enough here to raise a question for a jury about whether what Wayfarer and their PR team did constituted a retaliatory smear campaign.

Basically, I'm following at this point to learn, for myself, how much of my feelings about Lively last August (and those of my husband) may have been influenced by a PR campaign without me knowing it. I'd like to know how susceptible I am to something like this. I didn't follow Depp/Heard at all but having read about it later, it seems like a lot of people got taken in by the PR. Maybe I got taken in here. I'd like to know.[/quote]

I think you can probably seek damages from Baldoni at this point.  I have mourned for you, quietly from the sidelines, for nigh over 7 months now, since you are an important DV advocate and clearly conversant in the harms caused by manipulative fake people like Baldoni. Do you have the ducats to file, or will it have to be pro hac vice?  🙏 [/quote]

Lol. Does this poster not think we can all recognize her at this point? [/quote]

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