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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do we need SY +30 if we are trying to make it all kids in lay in their SY.  Just make it SY period.  No date.  That way Aug and Sept kids that are above the cutoff still can lay “up” with their school year and are in the correct recruiting class.  Plain old SY solves everything.  [/quote]
If you have to change from BY to SY I agree with you.

The problem with what you're suggesting is parents will hold back / regrade their kids so they're the biggest and oldest on the team. (16 year old freshman / 20 year old seniors in HS)

So you need a way to only allow players that are a certain grade AND a certain age on the team. This is what SY+30 does.[/quote]

Except it's not needed ... All you need is to keep a hard 12-month window that allows kids to play up based on ability. There's no reason to prohibit an Aug. bday playing on a team that's a grade below. Now, if you want to play with your grade, that's possible -- but no guarantee as the level of play you might find. What's already out there is enough. Adding SY+30 only creates more problems by limiting people's flexibility.[/quote]
You still dont understand how a calendar works.

8/1 with a rule saying Aug birthdays cant play down is the same thing as SY+30. The difference is enforcement is reactive instead of proactive. What this does is guarantee that all players on the field are a certain grade in school and not older playing down. You get the best of both worlds. No GY nonsense and all players are a certain grade in school during games.

All ECNL has to do is implement a no Aug birthdays playing down rule and their issues are solved.

The person pushing for a "hard 12 month eligibility" whatever will eventually have to capitulate because they're fighting against math. Unfortunately because school districts start at different dates theres just no way to make what they want work the way they want it to.[/quote]

This whole process was geared towards eliminating trapped players as Job 1. Having significant misalignment was bad from multiple different stand points. Not fair to younger players, confusing to college coaches and most likely impacted participation to some degree.

8/1 solves that unequivocally so I am in total agreement with that.

Now the "ancillary" issues, while small, are not unimportant, and, if we are trying to solve all issues in one fail swoop, need to be addressed.  The main minor issues in my viewpoint are deciding what to do with August birthdays in 9/1 or later states AND guarding against a slippery slope to grad year at the younger ages due to holdbacks, etc. I am fine with grad year for seniors.

The fixes must be balanced with ease of implementation, technology restraints, elimination of gamesmanship etc.

Having a fixed 8/1-7/31 365 days with no exceptions is really easy to implement for the 10,000 clubs. So that needs to be the defacto solution in my opinion.  Now if ECNL or GA or whomever else wants to add stipulations for their specific organizations more power to them. A simple august birthdays in 9/1 states must play with grade is fine but you have just created a slight disadvantage for those kids making them play in a 13 month structure vs a strict 12 month.

I am still of the opinion that choice is better than no choice. If a kid is in the 12 month window they play with that cohort as the default. If they are good enough to play up and WANT to play up, more power to them.

Everything else is just noise.

And my bet is still that it will be a straight 365 day window at ECNL and GA, with a slight (less than 25%) that they implement a rule having August play up with grade.  [/quote]
I prefer BY but SY with a rule not allowing Aug birthdays to play down a grade is ok.

The supposed lawyer / GY guy that was working with ECNL is ridiculious. They're creating all kinds of dumb carve outs just so older players can play down for wins in showcases. Just implement a rule saying Aug birthdays can play down and ALL events will only be a single grade. Which is what college recruiters want. Stop listening to the GY cheaters who want to piss all the other parents off that arent cheating by playing down for extra recruiting minutes.[/quote]

Learn to read they said working with US Soccer. But I agree and disagree.
Grad Year is NOT a good idea for younger ages.

But if the language written from US soccer regarding showcases is legit (have not looked it up)

There would be no reason for US soccer to include that unless they were allowing leagues like ECNL to run their private showcases however they want. Which would mean those leagues obviously want to do their own thing.

Which allowing just GY for Juniors/Seniors showcases makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

Senior year will be Grad Year anyways. All high school seniors will be allowed to play. So adding a junior year GY showcase is not that big of a deal.[/quote]
It is to Junior player parents who are paying for it all.

The GY guy is trying everything he can because he knows his opportunity to get GY in is done once SY is implemented. If a rule not allowing aug birthdays to play down is also implemented theyre double done.[/quote]

When has any league or club ever cared about paying parents that makes no sense? Especially if the kid is replaceable. [/quote]
Every year when they send out the bill. [/quote]

If you paying them means they care there’s no help for you.[/quote]

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