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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"It's clear in the series that Logan controlled how much Caroline saw her own children."

Is it? I don't recall them sharing specifics.  Caroline seems like a typical English woman of her generation and wealth: not very engaged with her children. Shiv says as much in this last episode. It never felt like Logan had to do much to get custody but maybe I missed something?

I loved the "meagerness" description of Logan. My parents both grew up poor and my mother grew up in post-war England which was very hard. But, they've always been naturally loving, generous people even though they've never accumulated wealth. My MIL, on the other hand, also grew up poor and she is very meager now despite being very wealthy.  I wonder what factors determine which way you go?  [/quote]

PP here. Well, maybe it was clear to me/is my impression but I chalk it up to three things:

1) Caroline remarking at least once, maybe more, that Logan took the kids off to America - not that they split time - the HE took them. And I feel like there was a comment about their accents;

2) When Logan sent the kids there to broach opening the divorce agreement and Caroline's requests weren't money, but a property that Logan loves because he loves it, [i]and Christmas in England with the kids[/i] (this is the one that stood out to me - I found this really sad);

3) That he clearly controlled her with money - he bribed her to get her shares. He uses opening the divorce agreement to get something out of her.

Anyway, that's my impression of what happened. Which is why I also think Caroline pulled away emotionally from her children. She might have never been warm and hugely maternal, but she also wasn't allowed to the space to be either.[/quote]

I was the poster who asked the question. Appreciate your response. I totally forgot about the Christmas part.

But, it feels like the kids despise Caroline. They make comments about her lack of mothering so that led me to believe she was cold and uninvolved by choice. Maybe Logan poisoned them against her.[/quote]

Their father was controlling and narcissistic. It's probably a lot easier to believe your mom just wasn't a good mom instead of processing that you believe that in order to stay in the good graces of your controlling narcissistic dad and not that he deprived you of her presence and potential as a parent. Which doesn't mean Caroline is blameless. It seems complicated, but not entirely her fault.[/quote]

NP. It's everything at once. Yes, Caroline seems insufficiently caring or protective of her kids, but also Logan was a mean bastard and seemed to have taken them just to punish her, and because he had so much more money and power, it sounds like he simply overpowered her. She does seem cold and distant, but not as cold and distant as Logan, and surely he did in fact poison them against her because he was awful.

I think saying he deprived them of "her presence and potential as a parent" is correct. Being a parent is hard and if someone was telling you and your children that you are a bad parent and don't deserve them, it's very easy to simply become what you are being described as. That doesn't absolve Caroline of responsibility, but I don't think it's possible to view any of her actions as independent of how Logan treated her and handled their divorce. They are all tied up together.

If you can have empathy for the kids for having such a terrible upbringing, then I think you should be able to have empathy for Caroline for what she must have gone through as Logan's wife and then ex. Just like I can also empathize with Logan's childhood and how it scarred him. You can empathize with people and still hold them accountable for their actions that harm others.[/quote]

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