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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Megyn Kelly is reprehensible but I don't think I saw anyone actually doubting she was sexually harassed.The fact that so many people are doubtful of Blake tells me that it's not people disbelieving her just because they don't like her. They just genuinely don't think she was harassed.[/quote]

Who is "they" in this scenario?

But in any case, these are different situations because Megyn Kelly didn't even come forward with her allegations until there were numerous allegations against Roger Ailes circulating. There was a book in 2014 that alleged he'd offered a producer a quid pro quo (a job for sleeping with him) back in the 80s, but he denied it and kept his job and it blew over. Then Gretchen Carlson sued in 2016, and multiple women came out with allegations. Megyn Kelly's allegations weren't even made public until after Ailes had been forced to resign, because Carlson's lawsuit triggered an internal investigation that resulted in Fox deciding Ailes was too much of a liability.

Kelly only came forward when people were sure to believe her, because there were other women on the record and the tide of public opinion had already turned. But what of that producer in the 80s? A lot of people didn't believe her, or simply didn't think what happened to her was a big deal, because Ailes remained one of the most powerful men in news media even after that allegation. And it took Gretchen Carlson's lawsuit to force Fox to actually investigate and oust him -- had Carlson never sued, I do not believe Kelly would ever have come forward, and I think there would still be plenty of people today who would shrug about the allegations against Ailes and say "eh, it doesn't sound like he did anything that bad, Megyn Kelly and Gretchen Carlson are awful anyway so who cares."[/quote]

It's funny that your own conclusion shows why Blake's credibility is weak. Multiple survivors came out against Ailes. No one has come out against Justin. Like, yes, exactly, thank you for driving home the point that Blake -- married to one of the most powerful A-listers in Hollywood -- is supposed to have be Justin's first and only victim.

And fine then, if we go with one of Ailes' first public victims -- Gretchen Carlson -- that still proves my point since most people still believe someone who worked at Fox News, yet don't believe Blake, and it's for the simple fact that her allegations are not credible. [/quote]

First and only victim following that classic pattern of aiming upwards. Don't harrass the underlings but shoot for the top. That fact pattern alone is hard for people to get past, the Ailes example is a tale as old as time and was not difficult to believe any of those women. The Baldoni stuff is also weird because he seems so frankly pathetic and weak in his interactions with Blake, like he's walking on eggshells to appease her which doesn't really square with what most people think of someone committing sexual harassment. [/quote]

You’re more committed to Blake’s SH narrative than she is. This is the woman who told Megan twohey “listen, I’ve experienced far worse”. Blake knows she does not meet the legal definition of SH so I think we can drop the SH shtick already. She’s focused on retaliation but it will be hard to prove because she’s a bad person with bad haircare products who caused her own damages. [/quote]

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