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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]When it's in the 90s and above, even the military has "black flag" conditions and are supposed to allow for specific periods of rest, water, shade and monitoring during drills. And this is military members.

So a 109 degree hike for several miles with a 20 lb baby and gear plus possibly an ailing dog is basically against all logic.[/quote]

Looking at weather reports it looks like it was in the 80s when they started. Maybe they planned to be back by the time temps reached into the upper 90s to 100+.[/quote]

South facing exposure. No shade. Even 80F would be hot.[/quote]

80 degrees isn't very hot in desert climates, even in direct sun.  It just didn't stay 80 degrees for very long.  From the timeline posted earlier, it was close to 100 degrees at 10am.

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It was already mid to high 80s when they started. With no shade and at high altitude, yes that does feel very very hot.[/quote]

They were not at "high altitude," they were at 1900'.  I live about 100 miles north of that area at a similar altitude and we happened to go to a local state park that very same day.  We got to the park at 9am and left at 1pm. We didn't do any serious hiking but the temperature was moderate and not "very very hot."  We left at 1pm because it was starting to warm up.  If the family arrived at the trailhead at 8am (they were spotted in their car at 7:45am) they would have had 4 hours before the temp reached 100 and potentially dangerous with no shade.[/quote]

If you look up thread the hourly temps for this day are posted. It hit 103 at 11 and was well into the 90s by 9.[/quote]
Actually no. This is from the official Sheriffs report:  "Spot Weather for the area indicates temperatures during 11:50 am – 5:50 pm ranged between 103-109 degrees in certain areas of the trail." They actually had almost 5 hours in very manageable temps before that could have become a factor. I was out in very, very similar conditions that morning and it was not life threatening.[/quote]

You are now bam from posting on this thread also.

Jeff is keeping a list. [/quote]

Not the previous poster but why would the PP be banned and what's jeff keeping a list of??[/quote]

Because PP is math challenged. 8AM to 12PM is 4 hours. Around 10AM the temperatures would start rapidly climbing. Lastly, the hardest part, the ascent on the unshaded hill was saved for last, during the hottest period.[/quote]

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