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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader.  I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html[/quote]

Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.[/quote]

Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- [b]give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators[/b].[/quote]
While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!  :lol: [/quote]

See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.[/quote]

Isn't part of the test of intelligence how fast you can think?  Truly asking.  I've seen a lot of definitions of intelligence include how quickly you can grasp new concepts and figure things out.  And that's why we have parents complaining that elementary school moves too slow for their smart kids, who grasp concepts much quicker than others and are bored with the time spent getting others to understand.

Because neither the SAT nor ACT is supposed to be a test of knowledge, supposedly it's of skills.  I was very good at the verbal part, not that great at math.  People who are better at math than me can solve math problems faster and more accurately than me.  Getting extra time on the math part would have been advantageous to me because I probably could have figured out most problems eventually, and I would have been able to go back and double-check answers and correct any mistakes I made.  But unlimited time would have obscured the difference between me and someone really brilliant at math who could have gotten all the right answers in an hour.

I don't know, I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.  [/quote]

But that is what is happening today w the system abuse - you have kids who don’t need it but getting extended time to be able to go through all the questions and check their answers. So who is left? Kids who are smart but don’t have a diagnosis so will score lower than the abuser. Then you have the poor kids who can’t get a diagnosis or know of even such a thing.  Then you have kids who need accommodations but the accommodations are not personalized - a kid may only need 10 minutes but get an hour so their score would be higher and a kid who needs 2 hours but only get an hour accommodation. So the current system is broken - fix it by giving  everyone unlimited time, and if the kid finishes early and want to hand in their tests early, go ahead.

Right now we have a system that depends on $$ and parents who know how to navigate the system. Why not just remove the time component?  If at the end of the day it is about learning and knowledge, what is the problem of removing the timed component of the tests?[/quote]

Maybe.  There are a lot of ways to abuse the system right now, that's for sure.  But to just give up and say fine, everyone can have unlimited time just removes any use there may have been in the test in actually showing intelligence/skills/quick-thinking-ness?  Just like when they redid the scoring.  I sound like an old curmudgeon, but back in my day, before they watered down the SAT, it meant something.  You actually had to answer every question right to get a 1600.  Now there's a lot more leeway.

I guess they can use it to weed out those truly unqualified who can't score more than 1000, but at top edge then it means nothing.  You'll just have more kids scoring 1600, with perfect GPAs (grade inflation), with impressive ECs (carefully curated ECs) and polished essays (reviewed by many educated parents and maybe even a hired counselor) that are indistinguishable from one another and parents crying foul because their indistinguishable kid was not selected over another indistinguishable kid.

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