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[quote=Anonymous]I've been through this thread and nobody argued that the Mandarin taught at YY was GARBAGE. YY Chinese teachers were complimented! The point so-called "trashers" made was that language immersion can't be done to a high standard for speaking and listening without native speaking kids (or at least near native speaking kids) in a program. A poster was challenged for calling Chinese in public schools a fad. Another poster called a native speaker who talks to YY students he knows from his neighborhood a creep for noting his discovery that they can't speak or understand much Mandarin after years at the school. Posters either recognized that not having native speakers in the school is a problem, and blamed federal charter law for it, or they blamed the fact that Asian immigrants in the metropolitan area mostly use MoCo schools. A couple posters argued that YY doesn't need Chinese speakers in the school to help other kids learn Mandarin. Not sure what the take away is, other than that nothing will change...

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