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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]13:16, there are several confusing things about your post, but I don't have time to argue them all.

The one thing I will say is that *no one* is trying to ban all guns.  There are two proposals on the table: (1) Subject people to more background checks before buying guns in order to prevent terrorists and known criminals from buying them, and (2) Banning certain guns.

You can disagree with one or both of the above, but it's disingenuous to say people want to ban all, or even most, guns.

I'm pretty liberal, and I kind of hate the idea of owning guns even though my DH grew up owning them, but I actually understand and agree with some of the Constitutional issues (and even the more philosophical arguments) around gun control.  But that doesn't make them insurmountable, and it seems like there is a compromise position between what the Senate Republicans and the Senate Democrats are proposing today.  The truth is, mass murders aren't actually the biggest public concern with guns...though these tragedies do shed light on some of the issues and we would likely have fewer with better gun control...but that doesn't mean gun violence isn't basically an epidemic in this country that we should simply ignore.[/quote]

I know they are not trying to ban all the guns but the issue here is, and needs to be researched and made clear, not hidden in thousands of pages with small print like Obamacare was, is that this legislation "in the name of safety" does not lead later on to the negation of the 2nd Amendment.

[b]That is my argument:  knee-jerk gun control legislation is not the solution [/b]and if it is proposed as a solution it needs to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb to ensure a back-door repeal of the 2nd Amendment decades later is not achieved.    The logic of "If we can ban this type of arm then we should be able to ban any and all arms" should not be a path that is followed because it exposes a citizenry to possible tyranny later on.  [/quote]

knee-jerk?  are you kidding me with this bullshit?  People were just slaughtered in a nightclub and people are just being touchy?

How in the hell can you sit there and continue to stonewall on this when we are pointing out huge holes that terrorists can drive right through?  This is supposed to be your damn issue.

Sorry, but if can't can't even close THIS loophole, then the terrorists have won and are laughing at us and will do it again and again and agin and you'll just sit back and say "oh, but I'm afraid you might take my toys away"[/quote]
someone posted some quote by a known terrorist who stated that getting guns in America is so easy that extremists would easily be able to buy them.  I guess to that PP, the mere talk of stricter gun laws makes him so paranoid about the gov't taking away his precious gun that he'd rather let terrorists buy guns so easily than have stricter gun laws in this country.  [/quote]

So we are tightening gun laws due to muslim extremists believing they will massacre more Americans? Then the problem should be the muslim extremists who follow the koran by the book right? Look at other countries that despite being poor and having a lot of people have a very low homicide rate. Its cultural its not the guns at all!

Look at the shooters dad and the parents of the boston bombers. They came to the US but never assimilated to the culture. Outwardly they appeared nice and friendly but inside they were filled with hate. That culture passed on to their kids who never quite assimilated either.[/quote]
The other countries that don't have as much gun deaths have strict gun laws, bozo.  And yes, the US has a gun culture, so it is a problem with our culture that just loves to glorify guns.  So, by your logic, then, we need to change our culture by getting rid of all guns.[/quote]

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