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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]As for outsourcing, got news for you - if you think Trump is going to magically end outsourcing or H1-Bs, you are delusional. And if you are so desperate to get rid of the illegals then get ready to start paying $10 for that burger because guess who's been the kitchen staff all these years. Plus, he will quite likely kill a ton of American jobs if he tries starting a trade war with protectionist policies and by killing trade partnerships, because it will kill our own exports. You know what else has been killing jobs? The free market. There's no "war on coal" nor even any need for it, the number one thing killing the coal industry hasn't been big evil gubmint regulation, it's been competition from the natural gas industry, along with a lot of the remaining mining jobs being killed due to automation and large scale mechanized operations like mountaintop removal. Regulation is just the nail in the coffin to an industry that was already one foot in the grave. But meanwhile people like you ignore the fact that outside of natural gas, [b]the fastest growing jobs in the energy sector are in manufacturing and installing solar and wind. If those miners want a job they should go to where the industry has gone [/b]rather than sitting on their asses whining. Times change. We don't have switchboard operators anymore. We don't have livery stables in every town anymore. Move on, get with the times. [/quote]

This has always been puzzling to me.  Why would anyone prefer to go down into a hole every day, risking death in the short term and chronic illness in the long term, instead of pushing for jobs above ground in the air and sunshine?[/quote]

Because, while they are nice people, they are not that intelligent, and are afraid that they might not be able to learn the new skills.  Especially since some of them are old.  Have you never been afraid of failure?  Most of us know that we are lucky to find a spot once.  The chance of that happening again is small, especially as we get older.  Look at all the middle age people who had to "retire early" after 2008.  Changing careers is not at all easy, especially when you are old.  [/quote]

How about the reality?  Moving is a tremendous expense.  While being retained as a solar manufacturing employee or an installer what do you live on?  How do you afford to pick up your family and move?  And what about the fact that they may not look forward to leaving their more extended family and community.

While solar and wind may be booming, is that boom happening in the hills of West Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania?  Maybe that should be the key, no solar/wind R&D or other tax incentives unless you set up in the area that is being displaced.  Oh.  But the engineers and business guys and management of those companies don't want to move either.[/quote]

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