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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OK, a really long post that repeats your earlier point that Allah forgives people *who believe in him.* The entire passage addresses "what it means to be a believer" and repeats the word *believer* many, many times. How did you miss this? Or did you realize this, but you felt that your argument now called for 1/2 page of obfuscation?

Moreover, this passage really isn't news, and I wonder what you think you're  accomplishing here. In every single religion, the Supreme Being(s) rewards those who fall into line with what the Supreme Being(s) wants. There is absolutely nothing special about Islam in this regard.

Moreover, it absolutely begs the question about what happens to non-Muslims ago aren't towing the line by embracing Islam. Your passage in no way addresses this question, because it's directed at and concerns believers exclusively.

So how about  addressing Allah's Catch 22 for non-believers: 
1. If you've heard of Islam, you must study it, no excuses accepted.
2. If you've studied Islam, then you know the supposed "truth" and if you turn your back on Islam now you face an even worse fate.[/quote]

You keep waffling between asking about christians and polytheists. Christians, even those who believe in trinity, are believers. Polytheists are not believers. However, Allah does not punish those who have no idea they are committing a sin. The reason I keep repeating this is with the hope that at some point you will understand that. The verses from the Quran were shown. Now to each his own.

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Either you are lying or you don't know as much about the Quran as you think you know. The following Quran verse makes it very clear that believing in the trinity means you are not a believer:

"They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment."[/quote]

+1.  That's pretty clear and unambiguous.[/quote]

+2.[/quote]

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