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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no evidence that Asian-American students have more and better extra-curriculars and leadership experience and other factors that go into a holistic admissions review. The only basis anyone claims that Asian-American students are more qualified is because of test scores. By definition, a non-holistic admissions process relies exclusively on grades and test scores. So if you argue that a holistic review is unfair, then you are demanding a numbers based process. And as I wrote earlier, every Asian education ministry says their test-based process is screwed up and unfair and produces bad results for learning. [/quote]

We don't have the evidence because colleges refuse to release the information and actively block release of any information that will shed light on this issue. Harvard is even refusing to comply with the discovery requests made in the legal action brought by Asian Americans alleging racial discrimination using every trick not to release any relevant information.

Refusing to release relevant information and then saying there is no evidence for such allegation is self serving. There are plenty of anecdotal evidence of Asian Americans with "better extra-curriculars and leadership experience and other factors that go into a holistic admissions" compared to AA and Hispanics getting unfavorable assessments.[/quote]

Blah, blah, blah.  These colleges are private (and stop the public funds nonsense -- most of the schools we're talking about could stop taking fed money tomorrow and make it up from the private sector).  The more info they release, the more it is subject to misinterpretation would be my guess.  For example, how would you quantify a "gut feel" about a particular candidate vs. another?   This is common in hiring decisions all the time.

The bottom line is a supply and demand issue.  There are more people who want to go to to private elite schools than seats available.  For status reasons, Asians (6 % of the U.S. population, 60 % of the world population) disproportionately want to go to the same big name private U.S. universities.  You could fill the freshman classes of each of them entirely with qualified Asians and Asian Americans and there would still be unhappy people who felt they were cheated.  Everyone acknowledges Ivy league admission is a crapshoot.   By design, these universities choose a cross-selection of high achieving or high potential students. It's beyond competitive.  Any one individual - regardless of race/ethnicity - is lucky to get in.  No one individual - regardless of race or ethnicity - is guaranteed or entitled to get in.   Lots of the griping comes down to people wanting to adhere to a formula and get in.  (top test scores, top ECs, top grades).  But the top universities want individuals, who don't necessarily come across in a seemingly "perfect" application.  They want someone confident enough to say, "you'd be lucky to get me and if you turn me down, F.U., I'll take my talent + success elsewhere.  Not someone who says, [b]"stop giving under-represented minorities and talented athletes and other bright kids who bring something different a shot, so more of my race or type of student can get in.[/b]"   [/quote]

:thumbup: I am curious among the elite schools how the military academies rank in terms of Asian admissions?  Maybe our Asian friends should be pushing their students in that direction too.  After all, you get a free education at among the top schools in America and guaranteed employment afterward and an alumni network that will tie you into the top ranks in politics and business in America.  [/quote]

It's a generalization, but military service is not big with the Asian families I've known. [/quote]

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