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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm an AA woman and I've been pulled over by the police a fair number of times throughout my life for speeding (maybe 4-5).  1/2 of those times I've gotten a ticket.  In my interaction with the police in a traffic stop,  I dont understand the mentality of anyone who escalates the situation by flat out not doing what the policeman asks you to do.   In that moment he's got a gun and and I've got....my bad-ass attitude?[/quote]

Black woman here. While I agree with you, DAMN it's hard not to be pissed sometimes. I, admittedly, have a big problem with that sort of authority. I usually don't say much back but they can clearly tell from my demeanor that I'm pissed. [/quote]

There are two different things here. First, would it have been wiser for Sandra Bland to have been compliant and subdued and not acted annoyed and put out her cigarette when the cop asked her to? Obviously, yes because then maybe she wouldn't have ended up dead! (MAYBE. Of course many black Americans in recent times have been murdered by the police with less "provocation" than this.)

Separately, was she morally and legally justified in acting annoyed, refusing to put the cigarette out, asking why she was being asked to get out of the car and then arrested? YES!

On the other hand, was the cop justified in ANYTHING he did starting with asking her to put her cigarette out? NO! He had no right to ask her to do that. No reason to tell her to get out of the car. No legal reason to arrest her. Absolutely  no reason to become physical with her, threaten to "light her up," hurt her while handcuffing her, tell her it was "good" she had epilepsy (!), and, it seems quite likely, ultimately participate in killing her.

This is the same reason many black parents tell their children to act hyper-respectful and subservient towards cops so they don't get killed. That is good advice given the reality of the world we live in and the apparently horrible state of police training and racism. But it SHOULD NOT be necessary. The police should not be arresting or beating or killing people for talking back or acting annoyed or asking valid questions. That this is even a point that needs to be argued is amazing!

Btw i am white and have never experienced anything like this video. It is so far out of my experience with the police I can't even say. I am almost never pulled over, have gotten a ticket only once even though I have deserved it many more times, and have NEVER been asked to leave my car. The foreignness of it is what makes me feel like, well it also seems crazy that the police would murder this woman in her jail cell, but given how the cop acted in the video, I have to think it's possible.

I can't even imagine the pain that Sandra's family and friends are experiencing.

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I'm white and I've been pulled over a couple times for speeding.  Both times I cried my way out of a ticket (not on purpose, I cry easily).  Also, I was younger, I doubt it would work now.

My brothers have been pulled over, and sometimes been let off with a warning, sometimes gotten a ticket, and, one of them, more than once been arrested and roughed up by the cop.  I don't understand why my brother was so confrontational.  Maybe it was the anger that PP referred to.  [/quote]

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