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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm new to this discussion, but if I get your point it is that you agree with the intent of Hebdo but not Dieudonne.  That would not pass muster in the US legal system.

Furthermore Charlie Hebdo may be anti-racist but it could be considered anti-religious.  If you accepted the notion that hate speech should be legally prohibited, which it is not in the US, one could easily make the argument that Hebdo and Dieudonne are equivalent in that regard, even though their target differs.[/quote]

I do agree that the US and France (or other EU countries) have a different approach to hate speech. I don't agree that CH and Dieudonne are equivalent but have different targets.  as for "blasphemous" cartoons, there is no law in France prohibiting blasphemy, which is not considered hate speech (and CH was a equal opportunity offender, just look at the cartoons on the Catholic Church).  Dieudonne is accused of promoting terrorism and acts of violence, which is very different. the day after the attack he publicly expressed support for the killer who took hostages at the Jewish market and killed several of them.  this is hardly religious satire or blasphemy, it's support for an act of terrorism resulting the murder of innocent people.  I understand why people are troubled by his arrest (I am too frankly, and also by the prohibition of his shows), but I think it is disingenuous to say that he CH had the right to publish its cartoons then Dieudonne has the right to express support for an act of terrorism. in 2011 Eric Zemmour, a journalist and writer,  was found guilty and fined for inciting "racial discrimination" against Blacks and Arabs based on French law for some statements he made during a TV show.

it is a fine line in some cases IMO to determine if something is free speech or a threat or hate speech.  after the cops were killed in NY several people were charged for Facebook postings where they expressed support for the killers with statement like let's kill more cops or something similar, but without taking any actual action to do it.  [/quote]

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